Date for Graham hearing set

ScottF · 05-12-2014, 07:15 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/saints-...4071--nfl.html

I wonder if there is any chance that negotiations will continue until that date- June 17, or are they at a standstill?

Exxcalibur · 05-12-2014, 08:03 PM

Anyone have any insight as to how these things play out in the locker room? Do the guys get resentful when people hold out for more money? Or are they more pragmatic about the whole process?

TheOak · 05-12-2014, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Exxcalibur

Anyone have any insight as to how these things play out in the locker room? Do the guys get resentful when people hold out for more money? Or are they more pragmatic about the whole process?

The players respect it's business and it doesn't effect the locker room for the most part. They all know it could be them next year.

TheOak · 05-12-2014, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/saints-...4071--nfl.html

I wonder if there is any chance that negotiations will continue until that date- June 17, or are they at a standstill?

Is say both parties are working harder to get something done before the date. Neither want to chance a decision not in their favor if they can meet in the middle.

hagan714 · 05-12-2014, 09:58 PM

oh the drama is killing me will the union get a new designation for TE. team now will have TE(a) and a TE(b) types to pay. he is not a TE but he is not a WR. so what is he?

ProMallNinja · 05-12-2014, 10:15 PM

What I want to know is, if it is ruled that he is a WR, then will we be given the option to rescind our franchise tag due to the fact that we do not want to pay him that much. I highly doubt that it gets that far, but I'm interested in how it would work if it did.

woody · 05-12-2014, 11:15 PM

When there's a $5 mil difference, I think anyone in their right mind would challenge this. Having said that, there are other TEs who split out more than he does, and no WRs who lineup tight 33% of the time. He's a TE. That's my 2¢.

nola_swammi · 05-13-2014, 12:49 AM

If he win this you will have rb(Sproles type) claiming to be wr and guards claiming left tackles pay

TheOak · 05-13-2014, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

oh the drama is killing me will the union get a new designation for TE. team now will have TE(a) and a TE(b) types to pay. he is not a TE but he is not a WR. so what is he?

The present CBA stands for 10 years and is not a living document, so dont expect any re-defining until 2021. They will rule on Jimmy Graham but not changes to the CBA, that has to be collectively agreed upon.

Evidence:
1. In spite of how poorly the CBA is written, it was not changed when Goodell was smacked down by a judge for Bountygate.
2. In 2011 they failed to close the double dip loophole, they cant readdress it until 2021.

ScottF · 05-13-2014, 08:07 AM

Almost half the players in the league are 'hybrids'.
Defenders play multiple roles, and just look at special teams. Will Morstead get a special tag bc he also kicks off? Will our new outside gunner get a special designation for that role? What if we change holders, does he forfeit that part of the salary?
It's ridiculous.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Date for Graham hearing set http://sports.yahoo.com/news/saints-...4071--nfl.html I wonder if there is any chance that negotiations will continue until that date- June 17, or are they at a standstill?

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Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Anyone have any insight as to how these things play out in the locker room? Do the guys get resentful when people hold out for more money? Or are they more pragmatic about the whole process?

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Originally Posted by Exxcalibur Anyone have any insight as to how these things play out in the locker room? Do the guys get resentful when people hold out for more money? Or are they more pragmatic about the whole process? The players respect it's business and it doesn't effect the locker room for the most part. They all know it could be them next year. Exxcalibur likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Originally Posted by ScottF http://sports.yahoo.com/news/saints-...4071--nfl.html I wonder if there is any chance that negotiations will continue until that date- June 17, or are they at a standstill? Is say both parties are working harder to get something done before the date. Neither want to chance a decision not in their favor if they can meet in the middle. Danno likes this.

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woody 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	Re: Date for Graham hearing set When there's a $5 mil difference, I think anyone in their right mind would challenge this. Having said that, there are other TEs who split out more than he does, and no WRs who lineup tight 33% of the time. He's a TE. That's my 2¢. RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Originally Posted by hagan714 oh the drama is killing me will the union get a new designation for TE. team now will have TE(a) and a TE(b) types to pay. he is not a TE but he is not a WR. so what is he? The present CBA stands for 10 years and is not a living document, so dont expect any re-defining until 2021. They will rule on Jimmy Graham but not changes to the CBA, that has to be collectively agreed upon. Evidence: 1. In spite of how poorly the CBA is written, it was not changed when Goodell was smacked down by a judge for Bountygate. 2. In 2011 they failed to close the double dip loophole, they cant readdress it until 2021.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Almost half the players in the league are 'hybrids'. Defenders play multiple roles, and just look at special teams. Will Morstead get a special tag bc he also kicks off? Will our new outside gunner get a special designation for that role? What if we change holders, does he forfeit that part of the salary? It's ridiculous. jnormand likes this.

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