Date for Graham hearing set

TheOak · 05-13-2014, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Almost half the players in the league are 'hybrids'.
Defenders play multiple roles, and just look at special teams. Will Morstead get a special tag bc he also kicks off? Will our new outside gunner get a special designation for that role? What if we change holders, does he forfeit that part of the salary?
It's ridiculous.

The CBA defines positions, not roles. Hybrid doesn't matter, and the CBA has 8 years left before it can be re-written. They didnt fix it in 2011 and they are not going to fix it now.

CBA Defined positions for Franchise Tags: Page 48 Article 10 Section 7
Section 7. Salary Information:
(a) No later than February 1 of each League Year during the term of this Agreement, the NFL shall compile and disclose to the NFLPA a list of each of the five and ten largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the following positions which shall be utilized for calculating the average Prior Year Salaries of players at the positions of Fran-chise Players and Transition Players: Quarterback, Running Back, Wide Receiver, Tight End, Offensive Line, Defensive End, Interior Defensive Line, Linebacker, Cornerback, Safety, and Kicker/Punter.

That's it, 11 positions, roles do not apply. Long snapper, punt returner, gunner, slot receiver... Notice there is only Offensive Line, there is no Tackle, Guard, Center designation.

If the NFL keeps editing to cover each and every exception then this thing turns into the Federal tax Code, a 73,954 page document that is just a list of exceptions so complicated and contradictory that no 1 person fully understands all of it. The rule is what it is, make the teams conform to it, not the rule to the teams.

Danno · 05-13-2014, 08:43 AM

It was rumored we offered 10/year and they said no way.

Granted it was the infamous "sources say" statement so take it with a grain of salt.

But if true, we've already tried to meet in the middle. Sexton is going full Monte on this one and with our history of grossly overpaying, he's gonna get his 12/year.

lee909 · 05-13-2014, 08:55 AM

If he gets 12 a year I hope its elsewhere and I don't care who pays it. The sad issue will be we wont get any value in compensation.

hagan714 · 05-13-2014, 08:57 AM

12 million dollar rumor? dam that aint a cheap rumor. i guess jimmy don't want to be a saint.

if we did offer him ten then tag him no matter what. then announce he is up for trade.

at his height and the rules about tackling he wont last long till he is out for a season with a knee. he is already showing wear and tear the past two years. these tall guys are great but i think they all will have a short shelf with the new rules in place.

they would last longer if the NFL let them get the crap knocked out of them instead of babying them. under cutting a receiver is under cutting their careers

i would take a 1 and a 2

Danno · 05-13-2014, 09:05 AM

Well like I said its a rumor.

Remember it was "rumored" that Brees wanted 20/year and we ended up... oh wait, that is what he got!

SaintsBro · 05-13-2014, 09:36 AM

I think it's gonna be a lot like the Brees deal. A decision is gonna come down, and then a deal is going to get done within a few short days after that, like ridiculously fast. Remember how fast the Brees contract followed on the heels of the tag decision? I think they're both just waiting to see what the aribiter says. You have to, in that situation. It would not surprise me one bit if the compromise contract was already hammered out 90% of the way by both parties, and it is just sitting in somebody's drawer right now, waiting to be pulled out, the last details finalized, and signed.

Halo · 05-13-2014, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I think it's gonna be a lot like the Brees deal. A decision is gonna come down, and then a deal is going to get done within a few short days after that, like ridiculously fast. Remember how fast the Brees contract followed on the heels of the tag decision? I think they're both just waiting to see what the aribiter says. You have to, in that situation. It would not surprise me one bit if the compromise contract was already hammered out 90% of the way by both parties, and it is just sitting in somebody's drawer right now, waiting to be pulled out, the last details finalized, and signed.

My concern is he may not be as important to the team as Brees. Last year, the guy got hemmed up at the line with aggressive corners and he was not open. It's possible he could reemerge as a serious threat with additions of Colemen and Cooks, but I still think we can get the job done with a normal pay tight end who can actually block at the position.

saintfan · 05-13-2014, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

My concern is he may not be as important to the team as Brees. Last year, the guy got hemmed up at the line with aggressive corners and he was not open. It's possible he could reemerge as a serious threat with additions of Colemen and Cooks, but I still think we can get the job done with a normal pay tight end who can actually block at the position.

Yeah. That's qb money and much as I love him I'm not paying the man qb money. Have a nice time in Cleveland is what I think.

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Mardigras9 · 05-13-2014, 10:43 AM

Graham is simply the new Tight end mold. That position is trending to players like him, much like when Groch started, pretty soon all tight ends will perform like Graham (except probably block better).

TheOak · 05-13-2014, 12:06 PM

The guy that touches the ball every snap, makes every pass and handoff along with changing the future at the line is relevant and worth the drama..
A TE is just not worth it.

05-13-2014, 08:36 AM	#11
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Originally Posted by ScottF Almost half the players in the league are 'hybrids'. Defenders play multiple roles, and just look at special teams. Will Morstead get a special tag bc he also kicks off? Will our new outside gunner get a special designation for that role? What if we change holders, does he forfeit that part of the salary? It's ridiculous. The CBA defines positions, not roles. Hybrid doesn't matter, and the CBA has 8 years left before it can be re-written. They didnt fix it in 2011 and they are not going to fix it now. CBA Defined positions for Franchise Tags: Page 48 Article 10 Section 7 Section 7. Salary Information: (a) No later than February 1 of each League Year during the term of this Agreement, the NFL shall compile and disclose to the NFLPA a list of each of the five and ten largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the following positions which shall be utilized for calculating the average Prior Year Salaries of players at the positions of Fran-chise Players and Transition Players: Quarterback, Running Back, Wide Receiver, Tight End, Offensive Line, Defensive End, Interior Defensive Line, Linebacker, Cornerback, Safety, and Kicker/Punter. That's it, 11 positions, roles do not apply. Long snapper, punt returner, gunner, slot receiver... Notice there is only Offensive Line, there is no Tackle, Guard, Center designation. If the NFL keeps editing to cover each and every exception then this thing turns into the Federal tax Code, a 73,954 page document that is just a list of exceptions so complicated and contradictory that no 1 person fully understands all of it. The rule is what it is, make the teams conform to it, not the rule to the teams.
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05-13-2014, 08:43 AM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,718	Re: Date for Graham hearing set It was rumored we offered 10/year and they said no way. Granted it was the infamous "sources say" statement so take it with a grain of salt. But if true, we've already tried to meet in the middle. Sexton is going full Monte on this one and with our history of grossly overpaying, he's gonna get his 12/year.

05-13-2014, 08:55 AM	#13
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,800 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Date for Graham hearing set If he gets 12 a year I hope its elsewhere and I don't care who pays it. The sad issue will be we wont get any value in compensation.

05-13-2014, 08:57 AM	#14
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Date for Graham hearing set 12 million dollar rumor? dam that aint a cheap rumor. i guess jimmy don't want to be a saint. if we did offer him ten then tag him no matter what. then announce he is up for trade. at his height and the rules about tackling he wont last long till he is out for a season with a knee. he is already showing wear and tear the past two years. these tall guys are great but i think they all will have a short shelf with the new rules in place. they would last longer if the NFL let them get the crap knocked out of them instead of babying them. under cutting a receiver is under cutting their careers i would take a 1 and a 2
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05-13-2014, 09:05 AM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,718	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Well like I said its a rumor. Remember it was "rumored" that Brees wanted 20/year and we ended up... oh wait, that is what he got! Halo likes this.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Date for Graham hearing set I think it's gonna be a lot like the Brees deal. A decision is gonna come down, and then a deal is going to get done within a few short days after that, like ridiculously fast. Remember how fast the Brees contract followed on the heels of the tag decision? I think they're both just waiting to see what the aribiter says. You have to, in that situation. It would not surprise me one bit if the compromise contract was already hammered out 90% of the way by both parties, and it is just sitting in somebody's drawer right now, waiting to be pulled out, the last details finalized, and signed.

05-13-2014, 09:51 AM	#17
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,585 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Originally Posted by SaintsBro I think it's gonna be a lot like the Brees deal. A decision is gonna come down, and then a deal is going to get done within a few short days after that, like ridiculously fast. Remember how fast the Brees contract followed on the heels of the tag decision? I think they're both just waiting to see what the aribiter says. You have to, in that situation. It would not surprise me one bit if the compromise contract was already hammered out 90% of the way by both parties, and it is just sitting in somebody's drawer right now, waiting to be pulled out, the last details finalized, and signed. My concern is he may not be as important to the team as Brees. Last year, the guy got hemmed up at the line with aggressive corners and he was not open. It's possible he could reemerge as a serious threat with additions of Colemen and Cooks, but I still think we can get the job done with a normal pay tight end who can actually block at the position. SaintsBro likes this.

05-13-2014, 10:31 AM	#18
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Originally Posted by Halo My concern is he may not be as important to the team as Brees. Last year, the guy got hemmed up at the line with aggressive corners and he was not open. It's possible he could reemerge as a serious threat with additions of Colemen and Cooks, but I still think we can get the job done with a normal pay tight end who can actually block at the position. Yeah. That's qb money and much as I love him I'm not paying the man qb money. Have a nice time in Cleveland is what I think. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk Halo likes this.
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05-13-2014, 10:43 AM	#19
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Date for Graham hearing set Graham is simply the new Tight end mold. That position is trending to players like him, much like when Groch started, pretty soon all tight ends will perform like Graham (except probably block better). Danno and ScottF like this.

05-13-2014, 12:06 PM	#20
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,020	Re: Date for Graham hearing set The guy that touches the ball every snap, makes every pass and handoff along with changing the future at the line is relevant and worth the drama.. A TE is just not worth it. Halo, jnormand, Danno and 1 others like this.

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