Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints

jeanpierre · 06-11-2014, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard.

He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far.

Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...

Utah_Saint · 06-11-2014, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...

In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost?

Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?

iceshack149 · 06-11-2014, 08:37 AM

Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him.

To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.

voodooido · 06-11-2014, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him.

To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.

There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again.

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again.

He will not be overpaid. As one of the top offensive threats in the game he is a bargain at $11 per year, which can easily be structured in a way to open up an additional $3-$4M in cap space for 2014.

Can the Saints win without him? Sure they can, but they are undoubtedly better with him. I want the taste of another Super Bowl win and Graham gives us a far better chance to achieve that goal.

jeanpierre · 06-11-2014, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost?

Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?

I'm just saying that he's struggled, been shutdown against the elite cornerbacks; when we needed him to get crucial first downs, he's been on the short end of coming down on the ball despite having superior size and athleticism...

Look, I've been a Graham fan since I saw him his first training camp (went so homer that I dropped Dallas Clark in Fantasy Keeper for Graham before his rookie campaign); but when you want elite money, you've got to come down with the ball against the elite...

Do I want to get rid of Graham - H**L, Neaux! But his success is as much about the table that is set in New Orleans than anything and I find the argument for more money like a top five WR has many holes in it...

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm just saying that he's struggled, been shutdown against the elite cornerbacks; when we needed him to get crucial first downs, he's been on the short end of coming down on the ball despite having superior size and athleticism...

Look, I've been a Graham fan since I saw him his first training camp (went so homer that I dropped Dallas Clark in Fantasy Keeper for Graham before his rookie campaign); but when you want elite money, you've got to come down with the ball against the elite...

Do I want to get rid of Graham - H**L, Neaux! But his success is as much about the table that is set in New Orleans than anything and I find the argument for more money like a top five WR has many holes in it...

The top 5 WR's get shut down by Talib and Sherman.

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose...

He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own...

Name any player in the NFL that has owned Sherman and Talib in their own houses. If Graham could do that consistently he would be worth $15M per year while receiving for over 2000 yards and 20 TD's.

Graham is clearly one of the elite offensive threats in the entire NFL and some of you actually think the Saints would be better off without him. That is pure lunacy.

There were 52 other players on the active roster when the Saints lost to the Seahawks and you honesty place the blame on Graham?

exile · 06-11-2014, 09:27 AM

Graham is awesome.

Isn't worth WR money though.

Can't blame him for the Seattle game.

He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014.

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2014, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Graham is awesome.

Isn't worth WR money though.

Can't blame him for the Seattle game.

He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014.

Only one of those will happen ... he'll get a new contract. There is zero percent chance that will not happen.

06-11-2014, 01:14 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Last season Graham scored more touchdowns than anyone else in the NFL. If that's getting shut out too often, that's a pretty high standard. He's gotten more yards per season and TDs per season since he became a starter than any receiver Drew has ever played with or that Payton has ever been the head coach for. If it's true that he's just a product of Payton's system, he's the best product Payton's system has produced so far. Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose... He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own... voodooido and K Major like this.

06-11-2014, 08:16 AM	#2
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose... He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own... In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost? Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often?

06-11-2014, 08:37 AM	#3
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,456 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him. To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire.

06-11-2014, 09:14 AM	#4
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,850	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by iceshack149 Jimmy Graham is the new Aaron Brooks at B&G. A good player that many argue is not that great and that the Saints would be better without him. To be clear, the Saints actually were better without Brooks in 2006 when he was replaced by a future Hall of Famer. But... I'd better stop there before I add too much fuel to this fire. There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again.
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06-11-2014, 09:27 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by voodooido There is no doubt the man is a beast. The point I raise is don't over pay. We won without him before we can do it again. He will not be overpaid. As one of the top offensive threats in the game he is a bargain at $11 per year, which can easily be structured in a way to open up an additional $3-$4M in cap space for 2014. Can the Saints win without him? Sure they can, but they are undoubtedly better with him. I want the taste of another Super Bowl win and Graham gives us a far better chance to achieve that goal.

06-11-2014, 12:08 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by Utah_Saint In the regular season game against Seattle, Graham was the only Saint that scored but it's his fault the Saints lost? Everybody gets shut down sometime. When you lead the league in touchdowns, you're not getting shut down often? I'm just saying that he's struggled, been shutdown against the elite cornerbacks; when we needed him to get crucial first downs, he's been on the short end of coming down on the ball despite having superior size and athleticism... Look, I've been a Graham fan since I saw him his first training camp (went so homer that I dropped Dallas Clark in Fantasy Keeper for Graham before his rookie campaign); but when you want elite money, you've got to come down with the ball against the elite... Do I want to get rid of Graham - H**L, Neaux! But his success is as much about the table that is set in New Orleans than anything and I find the argument for more money like a top five WR has many holes in it...
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06-11-2014, 12:18 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm just saying that he's struggled, been shutdown against the elite cornerbacks; when we needed him to get crucial first downs, he's been on the short end of coming down on the ball despite having superior size and athleticism... Look, I've been a Graham fan since I saw him his first training camp (went so homer that I dropped Dallas Clark in Fantasy Keeper for Graham before his rookie campaign); but when you want elite money, you've got to come down with the ball against the elite... Do I want to get rid of Graham - H**L, Neaux! But his success is as much about the table that is set in New Orleans than anything and I find the argument for more money like a top five WR has many holes in it... The top 5 WR's get shut down by Talib and Sherman.

06-11-2014, 09:22 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Utah, it's not a question of his inherent ability - it's the fact that when he's failed to overcome in big games, i.e. Seattle, the Saints lose... He really needs to own guys like Sherman and Talib in THEIR house as well as his own... Name any player in the NFL that has owned Sherman and Talib in their own houses. If Graham could do that consistently he would be worth $15M per year while receiving for over 2000 yards and 20 TD's. Graham is clearly one of the elite offensive threats in the entire NFL and some of you actually think the Saints would be better off without him. That is pure lunacy. There were 52 other players on the active roster when the Saints lost to the Seahawks and you honesty place the blame on Graham? SaintFanInATLHELL and AliJee like this.
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06-11-2014, 09:27 AM	#9
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Graham is awesome. Isn't worth WR money though. Can't blame him for the Seattle game. He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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06-11-2014, 09:30 AM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Five Reasons Someone Will Steal Jimmy Graham from the Saints Originally Posted by exile Graham is awesome. Isn't worth WR money though. Can't blame him for the Seattle game. He will either play this year under the franchise tag of a TE or get a new contract or sit out the season. Either way, he is a Saint in 2014. Only one of those will happen ... he'll get a new contract. There is zero percent chance that will not happen.

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