hagan714

excellent post. but this is the same point i had with my history prof. first no scapegoat point is in tended. history is always has a few versions of the same topic as we all know. In this case i had to read actual slave traders journals, manuscripts and company shipping ledgers to find out more about the topic. in the beginning it was simple and it went as i stated. but as demand increased so did the nasty nature of profiteering. much the same as it is today so not much has change in that ideology just the victims. once greed gets a hold of anything those people making the profit turn a blind eye to what the costs really are. those are the ones becuase of their wealth get off Scott free of responsibility. hmmm scott free need to look at that term.

my intent was not to slough off blame or minimize the horror of the business at all. the point was simple blame does not rest on a persons color as is the case today. The world as a whole is to blame and the world as a whole has been a victim of this horrifying crime. Some parts of world still are. as i stated the real criminals are the ones that made the big bucks and yet they seem to go unmentioned in history. money can buy you everything.

example here is, being mostly irish myself, i can a testify to the fact that irish sold and killed off fellow irish in much the same was as the British watched and profited till the brits got greedy and wanted more. then it got worse. now even today i still get a bit stand offish when i am offered a black and tan on st patties day. most people do not understand what exactly that phrase really is all about. but in no way do I go ballistic over it when a British person even mentions it. it is a drink that serves as a reminder and minimizes at the same time the horrors surrounding that time period in Irish history. It pretty much sealed the fate of the country till revolution struck the south of Ireland. But i do not fly off the handle and beat a drum over it. Mick is not the greatest historical term for an irsh person either.

Question why is it can travel anywhere in the world were African slaves were bought and sold and use the word and get no response what so ever?

Why is America held captive to such a blatant form of discrimination when it appears the rest of the world has moved on?

the civil right thing just justifies my view of the hypocrisy of history and the civil war. they removed the shackles but they remained enslaved. without the war the Irish and Italians would have remained the cheap labor and dispensable work force of this country. free slaves took over most of these jobs and were not treated a whole lot better. economic slavery and work camps we not that great of a step forward but it was a start. since carpetbagger's basically stole the 60 acres and the mule from the freed slaves. which in turned sold the land off to same industrial giants that put the slave to work in these horrid factories.

Take a honest look at our countries history and see what the world general views us as. It leaves a bad taste in their mouth about the things we have done. They are not innocent but at least they stand up and admit to what they have done, well for the most part and do not candy coat the negative aspects as much as we do.

I love our country and their are very few place in the world i would live besides here but we have a mess right now and many of those issue i place blame with congress, the president, lobbyist and lawyers from the past 50 years or more. opppsss lawyers hold all of those positions so sorry for repeating myself. they love us dwelling on the past because it keeps us from looking forward and seeing what they are doing to this country. they are the reason these things will not be settled. they keep it alive and feed it.

so back to the issue.

why do some Indians hate any association of their culture related to any ethnic culture in the US? i think it is plan as day. The Europe/U.S. invasion of the Americas resulted in them pulling off probably the greatest ethnic cleansing the world has ever seen. yet history does not portray it as such here in this country.

still to today they are the only minority that has to prove their blood line because the US still refuses to honor original treaties they broke and replaced with monetary cash offers. which in fact is still sitting there collecting interest waiting to be received. thus if you are not a certain percentage you loose your right to make a claim. that is the tip of the iceberg. pretty big tip i would have to say.

If any nationality in this country deserves to raise an uproar it is them.

Now if the media which controls (or is "controlled by" depends on how you look at it) the government would step back and stop singling out one race for preferential treatment then we as a society may just find a way to move on and become closer to being a more unified country. then we might truly get some where. I truly believe the flames of bigotry are fanned by the 5 companies that control 99% of our national media.

Which IMO is just what the controlling interests in this country want. nothing would strike fear into them more than a people untied all turning out to vote, hold them accountable and taking power away from them. Conspiracy? maybe. but as long as the voters remain divided they can be conquered. or controlled once again depends how you look at it.

It is up to the youth of this country to make this change because the civil rights generation has not done that great of job of handling it. we talked a good talk and we started strong but we dropped the ball along the way and have not done a great job of finishing it off. Are we really Americans? we aint there yet. Till the desire of our people to become one and solve our isuues we will never truly see and end to this type of thinking.

ok off my soap box

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