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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Okay, look at the text above that is in bold. First, show me any offer made by the Saints to Jimmy Graham that he turned down. Second , show me any demand from Jimmy Graham that ...

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Old 06-18-2014, 06:23 PM   #1
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Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

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Okay, look at the text above that is in bold.



First, show me any offer made by the Saints to Jimmy Graham that he turned down.

Second, show me any demand from Jimmy Graham that is not only what you claim is double what you purport that the Saints offered.

Third, show me any demand concerning an upcoming contract from Jimmy Graham whatsoever.

I am serious. Post proof right here and now of any of these. And I am not talking suppositions from internet bloggers, I am talking actual verifiable quotes or documentation from Jimmy Graham.

You do that and you can call him a "douche bag". You do that and you can declare he has "Greed".
Where do I start with you? You're the second person in a row who has ignored the ALMOST in that statement. Secondly they OFFERED him the franchise tender, of which he has not signed, because he thinks he's worth WR money, and the numbers don't back his claim.

It doesn't have to be a long term offer to be classified an offer. Is that clear enough for you? And I also didn't call him greedy. But he's in a grey area. If you want to try to read between the lines and tell me what you think I mean, go right ahead. I'm not concerned with your interpretation.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Where do I start with you? You're the second person in a row who has ignored the ALMOST in that statement. Secondly they OFFERED him the franchise tender, of which he has not signed, because he thinks he's worth WR money, and the numbers don't back his claim.

It doesn't have to be a long term offer to be classified an offer. Is that clear enough for you? And I also didn't call him greedy. But he's in a grey area. If you want to try to read between the lines and tell me what you think I mean, go right ahead. I'm not concerned with your interpretation.
No, the franchise offer is simply a placeholder in most cases until a deal can be made. Remember Brees?

But, you ignored my three requests. Okay, you did, in sorts, address the first, but even the Saints know he is worth FAR more than a TE tag, which, by the way, they didn't determine. The NFL did.

More important are the second two queries.

We know the second can't be answered. but how about the last?

Third, show me any demand concerning an upcoming contract from Jimmy Graham whatsoever.

Show me this one? Show me any demand at all from Jimmy Graham.

Any.
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No, the franchise offer is simply a placeholder in most cases until a deal can be made. Remember Brees?

But, you ignored my three requests. Okay, you did, in sorts, address the first, but even the Saints know he is worth FAR more than a TE tag, which, by the way, they didn't determine. The NFL did.

More important are the second two queries.

We know the second can't be answered. but how about the last?

Third, show me any demand concerning an upcoming contract from Jimmy Graham whatsoever.

Show me this one? Show me any demand at all from Jimmy Graham.

Any.
I did address it. He has made made it clear he wants to be designated WR money. His unwillingness to agree to less is a demand. How did you miss that? You want me to show you an exact quote from him? When do we ever get those? They let their agents do all the talking. Agents don't think for players, they work for them. They offer advice, but ultimately the choices are up to the players. You make it seem as though players have no say in negotiations and that's absurd on your part.
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I did address it. He has made made it clear he wants to be designated WR money. His unwillingness to agree to less is a demand. How did you miss that? You want me to show you an exact quote from him? When do we ever get those? They let their agents do all the talking. Agents don't think for players, they work for them. They offer advice, but ultimately the choices are up to the players. You make it seem as though players have no say in negotiations and that's absurd on your part.
I'm sorry, but you have not. Show me any source that attributes Jimmy Graham as to have made any demands or having turned down any deal. Hell. Show me any quote from his agent Sexton then, that he has turned an offer or made any demands.

Do that. That all. Because it has never happened.
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I'm sorry, but you have not. Show me any source that attributes Jimmy Graham as to have made any demands or having turned down any deal. Hell. Show me any quote from his agent Sexton then, that he has turned an offer or made any demands.

Do that. That all. Because it has never happened.
And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy.
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And you know this how? You think they are going to tell you what they are negotiating? Does not the absence of a deal show a demand is not being met. We have heard for months they were in talks. So what were they talking about? shoes? Get over yourself guy.
So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million?

All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand.

It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth.
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So, when did they tell you that Graham turned down an offer? And when did they tell you about demands for WR money around $12 million?

All I am discrediting is that either of the above have happened as many claim. I have no clue what they are negotiating or what offers have or have not been made. But Jimmy Graham is being crucified by many saying he has turned down a supposed offer and has demanded a supposed demand.

It is you and others, not me, that are making the claims. All I am saying is don't believe the hype. It is all media driven and is seldom anywhere near the truth.
I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?
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