Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.

Drew wasn't claiming anything. The NFLPA questioned the tag placed by the Saints as being the second tag since the Chargers had tagged him as well. The arbitration was not forced by Brees, but was required to determine a franchise tag CBA related issue between the NFLPA and the league, EXACTLY like what is going on here.

We all know, just like the case with Brees, that Graham and the Saints will make the deal. This is all about precedence formation for future use.

It is not Graham. He has been total class through the whole deal. He has said nothing at all, pro or con. Nothing.

burningmetal · 06-18-2014, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't need proof because I am not making the definitive statements that Graham turned down offers, and made demands, and as you claimed, had "some of the things he's said over the last couple months".

You prove yourself right about those simple claims. All that would take is a web search if they were true.

Simple as that.

Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument.

burningmetal · 06-18-2014, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

He scored the most touchdowns in the NFL and you call that "consistently disappearing"?

In the regular season, he scored touchdowns in 11 games and in another he went over a hundred yards.

If it corners can easily shut him down why wouldn't every team just put a corner on him and be done with it?

And when you say he has zero ability to play against better defenses, you do realize he scored 3 touchdowns against Carolina and 1 against Seattle right? 4 touchdowns in 4 games is good, against top 3 defenses it's REALLY good.

Consistently against the better defenses I said. And carolina was known to not have a good secondary. He scored one meaningless touchdown against seattle in a 34-7 blowout loss in which he was not heard from again in that game. That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's one thing to make a catch at short range in the endzone when the defense is trying to defend all of our receivers, but where was he the rest of the game when we needed to get first downs?

Why don't more teams put a corner on him? Because we have other good players, and not every team has the depth to make that kind of move. The patriots took a gamble and it sure worked for them. maybe all teams SHOULD do it. I would. What about you? I can't speak for other teams. But the evidence is clear.

burningmetal · 06-18-2014, 08:29 PM

You gentleman have a good day. I've said what I have to say.

ScottF · 06-18-2014, 08:36 PM

Oh, now I get the thread title

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument.

His tone? How can you judge his tone when he hasn't said anything?

You keep saying you have based your judgement on Graham's comments.

So then he can end it. The union doesn't have power over anyone. They simply represent. He can negotiate his own terms. He knows where the Saints stand, and he knows how much they are paying Drew. So if he wants to be here it's up to him. So even if he didn't initiate this, he can stop it. And you can call this conjecture, but reading some of the things he's said over the last couple months leads me to believe he feels disrespected. So it's hard for me to believe that he has nothing to do with this.

Graham has never made any comments.

How did you hear them?

Until you explain these very vital points, you have no credibility whatsoever.

Case closed.

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You gentleman have a good day. I've said what I have to say.

And what you have said is total nonsense.

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Oh, now I get the thread title

You got it, brother!

AsylumGuido · 06-18-2014, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument.

I doubt if any of our admins have deleted the tweets that you "misremember", but they do not seem to exist. They don't exist on Twitter either. Nor does any reference to them exist on Twitter. Nor have I found any reference to them on Google News. Nor do they exist on any search I have attempted.

If you are basing your implied hatred for this player based on, well, nothing ... there is no way to reason with you.

AliJee · 06-19-2014, 04:35 AM

It just seems to me like both JG and the saints are letting the arbitration decide what he is actually worth. It's only logical for the saints not to overpay and the JG not to get underpaid. This could go either way.. but if the process is duly played out it just gives clarity to both parties on what number to settle on.
At the end of the day JG and Mickey have been true professionals and have handled the situation with poise and devoid of drama.

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06-18-2014, 08:18 PM	#51
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given. Drew wasn't claiming anything. The NFLPA questioned the tag placed by the Saints as being the second tag since the Chargers had tagged him as well. The arbitration was not forced by Brees, but was required to determine a franchise tag CBA related issue between the NFLPA and the league, EXACTLY like what is going on here. We all know, just like the case with Brees, that Graham and the Saints will make the deal. This is all about precedence formation for future use. It is not Graham. He has been total class through the whole deal. He has said nothing at all, pro or con. Nothing.

06-18-2014, 08:22 PM	#52
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't need proof because I am not making the definitive statements that Graham turned down offers, and made demands, and as you claimed, had "some of the things he's said over the last couple months". You prove yourself right about those simple claims. All that would take is a web search if they were true. Simple as that. Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

06-18-2014, 08:27 PM	#53
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by Utah_Saint He scored the most touchdowns in the NFL and you call that "consistently disappearing"? In the regular season, he scored touchdowns in 11 games and in another he went over a hundred yards. If it corners can easily shut him down why wouldn't every team just put a corner on him and be done with it? And when you say he has zero ability to play against better defenses, you do realize he scored 3 touchdowns against Carolina and 1 against Seattle right? 4 touchdowns in 4 games is good, against top 3 defenses it's REALLY good. Consistently against the better defenses I said. And carolina was known to not have a good secondary. He scored one meaningless touchdown against seattle in a 34-7 blowout loss in which he was not heard from again in that game. That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's one thing to make a catch at short range in the endzone when the defense is trying to defend all of our receivers, but where was he the rest of the game when we needed to get first downs? Why don't more teams put a corner on him? Because we have other good players, and not every team has the depth to make that kind of move. The patriots took a gamble and it sure worked for them. maybe all teams SHOULD do it. I would. What about you? I can't speak for other teams. But the evidence is clear.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

06-18-2014, 08:29 PM	#54
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast You gentleman have a good day. I've said what I have to say.

06-18-2014, 08:36 PM	#55
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06-18-2014, 08:44 PM	#56
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument. His tone? How can you judge his tone when he hasn't said anything? You keep saying you have based your judgement on Graham's comments. So then he can end it. The union doesn't have power over anyone. They simply represent. He can negotiate his own terms. He knows where the Saints stand, and he knows how much they are paying Drew. So if he wants to be here it's up to him. So even if he didn't initiate this, he can stop it. And you can call this conjecture, but reading some of the things he's said over the last couple months leads me to believe he feels disrespected. So it's hard for me to believe that he has nothing to do with this. Graham has never made any comments. How did you hear them? Until you explain these very vital points, you have no credibility whatsoever. Case closed.

06-18-2014, 08:45 PM	#57
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal You gentleman have a good day. I've said what I have to say. And what you have said is total nonsense.

06-18-2014, 08:46 PM	#58
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by ScottF Oh, now I get the thread title You got it, brother!

06-18-2014, 09:00 PM	#59
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument. I doubt if any of our admins have deleted the tweets that you "misremember", but they do not seem to exist. They don't exist on Twitter either. Nor does any reference to them exist on Twitter. Nor have I found any reference to them on Google News. Nor do they exist on any search I have attempted. If you are basing your implied hatred for this player based on, well, nothing ... there is no way to reason with you.

06-19-2014, 04:35 AM	#60
AliJee 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Southern California Posts: 267	Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast It just seems to me like both JG and the saints are letting the arbitration decide what he is actually worth. It's only logical for the saints not to overpay and the JG not to get underpaid. This could go either way.. but if the process is duly played out it just gives clarity to both parties on what number to settle on. At the end of the day JG and Mickey have been true professionals and have handled the situation with poise and devoid of drama. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

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