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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. That is where you are terribly mistaken. The NFLPA acts on what they feel is for the good of the membership as a whole. The NFLPA jumped on this opportunity. You are naive if you ...

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Old 06-18-2014, 06:41 PM   #1
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Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
No. That is where you are terribly mistaken. The NFLPA acts on what they feel is for the good of the membership as a whole. The NFLPA jumped on this opportunity. You are naive if you feel that Graham instigated this affair. It was entirely NFLPA driven. Did they get Graham's buy in? Of course, he really had no choice. Did he want to be recognized as the player who refused to help "the cause"?

And once again, you are making claims that Graham has asked for anything. Search it out. Find anyone other than the NFLPA via the frachise tag amount that have stated anything about any demand.

Any.
Stop posting for two seconds and read my above reply, wise guy. Do you have any information showing exactly who initiated what? Show me. Don't tell me what you think you understand.

I'm going by common sense, and it is my opinion. If you want to believe another thing, you go right ahead. I don't recall asking you any questions. Neither graham nor the union has a case. The numbers show that his performance is well below average when lined up wide against a corner.
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:46 PM   #2
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Stop posting for two seconds and read my above reply, wise guy. Do you have any information showing exactly who initiated what? Show me. Don't tell me what you think you understand.

I'm going by common sense, and it is my opinion. If you want to believe another thing, you go right ahead. I don't recall asking you any questions. Neither graham nor the union has a case. The numbers show that his performance is well below average when lined up wide against a corner.
Graham knows that. You know that. I know that. His agent knows that. This is all about the NFLPA trying to flex their muscle via the CBA. Hell, Graham calls himself a TE everywhere. That IS what he is.

I will guarantee you that Sexton or Graham have never demanded WR money. This is all NFLPA vs. NFL politics. Don't blame Graham. He is not at fault for anything.
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:50 PM   #3
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Graham knows that. You know that. I know that. His agent knows that. This is all about the NFLPA trying to flex their muscle via the CBA. Hell, Graham calls himself a TE everywhere. That IS what he is.

I will guarantee you that Sexton or Graham have never demanded WR money. This is all NFLPA vs. NFL politics. Don't blame Graham. He is not at fault for anything.
So then he can end it. The union doesn't have power over anyone. They simply represent. He can negotiate his own terms. He knows where the Saints stand, and he knows how much they are paying Drew. So if he wants to be here it's up to him. So even if he didn't initiate this, he can stop it. And you can call this conjecture, but reading some of the things he's said over the last couple months leads me to believe he feels disrespected. So it's hard for me to believe that he has nothing to do with this.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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So then he can end it. The union doesn't have power over anyone. They simply represent. He can negotiate his own terms. He knows where the Saints stand, and he knows how much they are paying Drew. So if he wants to be here it's up to him. So even if he didn't initiate this, he can stop it. And you can call this conjecture, but reading some of the things he's said over the last couple months leads me to believe he feels disrespected. So it's hard for me to believe that he has nothing to do with this.
That's the whole point. Jimmy Graham has never said anything concerning this negotiation. Nothing at all. Zip. Zero. Nada.

I don't know where you are getting that false impression, but Graham has never made any statement, tweet, facebook post or any other mention of any thing to do with any contract terms.

If that is what pisses you off you have wasted a ton of piss.

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Stop posting for two seconds and read my above reply, wise guy. Do you have any information showing exactly who initiated what? Show me. Don't tell me what you think you understand.

I'm going by common sense, and it is my opinion. If you want to believe another thing, you go right ahead. I don't recall asking you any questions. Neither graham nor the union has a case. The numbers show that his performance is well below average when lined up wide against a corner.
Actually the numbers show that since he's been a starter, he's scored more touchdowns than any wide receiver in the NFL and only 5 wide receivers have earned more yards. Last season he scored the same number of touchdowns wide as he did tight.
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Actually the numbers show that since he's been a starter, he's scored more touchdowns than any wide receiver in the NFL and only 5 wide receivers have earned more yards. Last season he scored the same number of touchdowns wide as he did tight.
The numbers how that lined up against a corner he is WAY below even the declining Colston. As much as drew forces it to him, he should do a lot more with his chances if he thinks he's a wide receiver.
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The numbers how that lined up against a corner he is WAY below even the declining Colston. As much as drew forces it to him, he should do a lot more with his chances if he thinks he's a wide receiver.
He has never claimed to be a WR. He knows what he is. This is the NFLPA vs. the NFL. That is all. Geez.

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Old 06-18-2014, 07:01 PM   #8
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That is your opinion. Lawyers speak for their clients. This is foreign to you? You've said the same thing over and over. I don't see your proof. I know what I believe. Let HIM prove me wrong. I hope he does. Your words are meaningless to me.
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That is your opinion. Lawyers speak for their clients. This is foreign to you? You've said the same thing over and over. I don't see your proof. I know what I believe. Let HIM prove me wrong. I hope he does. Your words are meaningless to me.
I don't need proof because I am not making the definitive statements that Graham turned down offers, and made demands, and as you claimed, had "some of the things he's said over the last couple months".

You prove yourself right about those simple claims. All that would take is a web search if they were true.

Simple as that.
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I don't need proof because I am not making the definitive statements that Graham turned down offers, and made demands, and as you claimed, had "some of the things he's said over the last couple months".

You prove yourself right about those simple claims. All that would take is a web search if they were true.

Simple as that.
Dude, you need to get a life. You continue to take one sentence and throw it completely out of context. You aren't reading anything I'm saying. You're taking what you want out of what I say and arguing against that. I have more than made my point. I haven't based anything on his comments. I'm basing it on exactly what is happening. I have common sense. These things don't happen for the heck of it. The only thing I said about his comments was that he seems a little disrespected in his tone. I don't know where those comments are, but it was posted on here from his "twitter" account. He just seemed like he wasn't too happy with it. I didn't suggest that was the biggest deal, but rather that his tone would make it seem that he's all for whatever the NFLPA is doing. That was the smallest part of my argument.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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