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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise ...

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Old 06-18-2014, 07:06 PM   #1
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Re: Some New Orleans Saints fans should be ashamed of themselves -- Gerry V podcast

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I never said anything about demands to begin with. Not contract demands. But you can use a little common sense to figure out that talks aren't going so well if they had to place the franchise tag, and then the subsequent legal battle kinds of boils down to turning down the franchise tag, wouldn't you say? But you want to blame the NFLPA. Fine. You no nothing more than I do about who did what. So why are you on my case if you have no more proof than I?
Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all.

We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.
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Common sense. Both the NFLPA and the NFL wants this issue resolved. It was first addressed with Terrell Suggs with DE vs. LB. That matter never made it to arbitration. I would suspect that the NFLPA has pressured Sexton to tread water and the NFL has asked Loomis and the Saints to do the same to get this issue settled once and for all.

We all know the Saints and Graham will make a deal and the tag won't have any affect on him. The exact same thing happened with the Brees tag. We all knew he would get the deal and not play on the tag, but the PA and the league wanted it ironed out first.
Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.
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Drew made more than the tag. Drew wasn't claiming another position. That is literally the worst example you could have given.
Drew wasn't claiming anything. The NFLPA questioned the tag placed by the Saints as being the second tag since the Chargers had tagged him as well. The arbitration was not forced by Brees, but was required to determine a franchise tag CBA related issue between the NFLPA and the league, EXACTLY like what is going on here.

We all know, just like the case with Brees, that Graham and the Saints will make the deal. This is all about precedence formation for future use.

It is not Graham. He has been total class through the whole deal. He has said nothing at all, pro or con. Nothing.
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Drew wasn't claiming anything.
But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy.

Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND?

It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous.
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But he allowed people who work for him to make those claims, he remained 100% silent and said nothing when those claims were made, and so did Jimmy.

Do you actually think if Jimmy Graham was opposed to what's happening now, if he didn't want it to happen, do you really think that he would let it happen, or keep his agent, for ONE SECOND?

It's all very nice to stick up for him, to paint him as an angel, but you're implying that he's not a party to all this, which is naive and just plain wrong. Any reasonable fan of the team can see that Jimmy is involved in his current status and situation. That if he didn't want it to be this way, it would never have come to this. To imply that he's somehow an innocent unblemished angel in all this, is more than a little disingenuous.
Of course he had to agree to allow the NFLPA to try their agenda. Why wouldn't he? But, what I have a problem with are the people vilifying him as a greedy, selfish individual and making false claims that he has made comments about the case and such.

Graham is going to get the same deal, more or less, regardless of how the hearing turns out. It will have very little impact on the overall numbers involved. Graham knows that this is an important question concerning the language within the CBA that needs to be addressed. But, I wonder if he would have agreed to this if he had known the stupidity of some of the fans and much of the press and how his name would be unduly dragged through the mud.

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Of course he had to agree to allow the NFLPA to try their agenda. Why wouldn't he? But, what I have a problem with are the people vilifying him as a greedy, selfish individual and making false claims that he has made comments about the case and such.

Graham is going to get the same deal, more or less, regardless of how the hearing turns out. It will have very little impact on the overall numbers involved. Graham knows that this is an important question concerning the language within the CBA that needs to be addressed. But, I wonder if he would have agreed to this if he had known the stupidity of some of the fans and much of the press and how his name would be unduly dragged through the mud.

It's not the fans of the Saints being stupid, it's the money grab of a TE that is trying to get WR money from the Saints. Now I believe as a WR I saw somewhere where he graded 91 out of 112 WR, thats no where near top WR money, where 91st falls on the paybooks might be more of an interesting question than one of the top TE's in the league. Still with me. And now you are 100% correct when you say he let the NFLPA file the grievence on his behalf, but before they could do this it was Jimmy giving the O.K. to do it, without his O.K. they could not file a thing on his behalf. So looking at him as Mr. Innocent is looking at him through rose-colored glasses. I'm glad the Saints saw this grievence through, win or lose and if Jimmy wins WR money and we pay I just wonder how many other players on the team get cut or take a cut to give it to a no blocking, alligator arm , TE posing as a WR.
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It's not the fans of the Saints being stupid, it's the money grab of a TE that is trying to get WR money from the Saints. Now I believe as a WR I saw somewhere where he graded 91 out of 112 WR, thats no where near top WR money, where 91st falls on the paybooks might be more of an interesting question than one of the top TE's in the league. Still with me. And now you are 100% correct when you say he let the NFLPA file the grievence on his behalf, but before they could do this it was Jimmy giving the O.K. to do it, without his O.K. they could not file a thing on his behalf. So looking at him as Mr. Innocent is looking at him through rose-colored glasses. I'm glad the Saints saw this grievence through, win or lose and if Jimmy wins WR money and we pay I just wonder how many other players on the team get cut or take a cut to give it to a no blocking, alligator arm , TE posing as a WR.
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