Graham designated TE by arbitrator

B_Dub_Saint · 07-03-2014, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Easily. You give a signing bonus of around $24 million on a six year deal worth $56 million with a base salary of $2.5 million the first year. Base salary will be back loaded over the contract term. That would count $6.5 million ($4M prorated bonus plus base) in year one. His franchise tag was $7.3M. That deal would actually free up $800K in the current year cap to make other moves.

That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man

Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them.

AsylumGuido · 07-03-2014, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man

Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them.

My degree is in accounting, but my wife has always done our taxes. I am a business analyst by trade.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-03-2014, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My degree is in accounting, but my wife has always done our taxes. I am a business analyst by trade.

That is enlightening. I now see why you have your perspective on this situation...

BTW my profession is my moniker "The Professor". College Profs always want to analyze everything. That's why I find it fascinating...

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 07-03-2014, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

That is enlightening. I now see why you have your perspective on this situation...

BTW my profession is my moniker "The Professor". College Profs always want to analyze everything. That's why I find it fascinating...

SFIAH

I had already made that assumption. While I finished my "organized" education years ago, I still enjoy learning. I have had some limited use of my accounting training, but the economics, business law and statistics that were all requirements have served me very well as a devoted Saints fan.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-03-2014, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man

Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them.

I posted a detailed example of a potential JG contract about 3 weeks ago. You can read it here:

http://blackandgold.com/saints/66411...tml#post597157

The cap really isn't that difficult to understand. Bonuses are divided evenly over the life of the contract. Salary is paid yearly. The cap number is the sum of the bonus part and the salary part. Bonus is guaranteed. Salary is not. The remaining bonus becomes "immediately" due if the player is cut.

So to Guido's example. A $24 million signing bonus over 6 years counts $4 million a year against the cap. With a $24 million check in hand, JG would be happy to take a $1 million salary for the first year. So the cap number is $1+$4 million = $5 million. But JG gets a $24 million check when he signs.

Now the cap number the last 3 years of the contract may be $12/$15/$18 million/year because the salary increases to $8/$11/$14 million/year by the end. But then you can renegotiate, cut another bonus check, and spread out the cap number by extending the contract. Or if the player isn't productive simply cut them and eat the remaining bonus money which at that point is a lot less than the cap number with the inflated salary.

Trust me that both sides are motivated to get a long term deal done by next week. JG wants his big contract and big bonus check now, while the Saints want the cap relief of the long term contract.

That's the reason that it'll get done.

SFIAH

B_Dub_Saint · 07-03-2014, 01:28 PM

Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions.

Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags?

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I posted a detailed example of a potential JG contract about 3 weeks ago. You can read it here:

http://blackandgold.com/saints/66411...tml#post597157

The cap really isn't that difficult to understand. Bonuses are divided evenly over the life of the contract. Salary is paid yearly. The cap number is the sum of the bonus part and the salary part. Bonus is guaranteed. Salary is not. The remaining bonus becomes "immediately" due if the player is cut.

So to Guido's example. A $24 million signing bonus over 6 years counts $4 million a year against the cap. With a $24 million check in hand, JG would be happy to take a $1 million salary for the first year. So the cap number is $1+$4 million = $5 million. But JG gets a $24 million check when he signs.

Now the cap number the last 3 years of the contract may be $12/$15/$18 million/year because the salary increases to $8/$11/$14 million/year by the end. But then you can renegotiate, cut another bonus check, and spread out the cap number by extending the contract. Or if the player isn't productive simply cut them and eat the remaining bonus money which at that point is a lot less than the cap number with the inflated salary.

Trust me that both sides are motivated to get a long term deal done by next week. JG wants his big contract and big bonus check now, while the Saints want the cap relief of the long term contract.

That's the reason that it'll get done.

SFIAH

jnormand · 07-03-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions.

Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags?

Easy. Wouldn't you be a jealous douchenozzle if you had Matty Skid Britches behind center throwing to Shoddy **** Talker and a cry baby coach all while being annual underachievers?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-03-2014, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions.

You are quite welcome.

Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags?

I gave up on this one a long time ago. It's a waste of time to even try...

SFIAH

Seer1 · 07-03-2014, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions.

Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags?

Wanting what we have -a ring, a good team, a good coach, great fans is really not a mystery.

the-commish · 07-04-2014, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man

Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them.

It's not loopholes. The signing bonus is pro-rated over the term of the contract. For instance, a $24 million signing bonus over a 6-year contract comes out to $4 million per year. To that is added each year's salary, plus any incentives, to come up with that season's cap hit. For instance, in Graham's case (we don't know any actual numbers yet except for the $7.053 million franchise tag for this season, which counts against the Saints' salary cap). So if Graham get $24 million in signing bonus, and a $2 million dollar salary for 2014, that adds up to $6 million against the cap for 2014 (if no incentives). In that case, the Saints would gain $1.053 million in this season's cap (the difference between the $7.053 million franchise tag and the $6 million pro-rated bonus + 2014 salary.

The signing bonus portion is guaranteed. If that player were to be waived before the end of the contract, the remaining portion of the pro-rated signing bonus would count against the salary cap... which is then "dead money." In some cases the cap hit can be spread over two seasons (I don't know the exact details of how this is done). Perhaps someone can post to this subject.

07-03-2014, 08:04 AM	#1
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Easily. You give a signing bonus of around $24 million on a six year deal worth $56 million with a base salary of $2.5 million the first year. Base salary will be back loaded over the contract term. That would count $6.5 million ($4M prorated bonus plus base) in year one. His franchise tag was $7.3M. That deal would actually free up $800K in the current year cap to make other moves. That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them.

07-03-2014, 09:46 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them. My degree is in accounting, but my wife has always done our taxes. I am a business analyst by trade.

07-03-2014, 10:02 AM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My degree is in accounting, but my wife has always done our taxes. I am a business analyst by trade. That is enlightening. I now see why you have your perspective on this situation... BTW my profession is my moniker "The Professor". College Profs always want to analyze everything. That's why I find it fascinating... SFIAH

07-03-2014, 01:33 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL That is enlightening. I now see why you have your perspective on this situation... BTW my profession is my moniker "The Professor". College Profs always want to analyze everything. That's why I find it fascinating... SFIAH I had already made that assumption. While I finished my "organized" education years ago, I still enjoy learning. I have had some limited use of my accounting training, but the economics, business law and statistics that were all requirements have served me very well as a devoted Saints fan.

07-03-2014, 09:56 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them. I posted a detailed example of a potential JG contract about 3 weeks ago. You can read it here: http://blackandgold.com/saints/66411...tml#post597157 The cap really isn't that difficult to understand. Bonuses are divided evenly over the life of the contract. Salary is paid yearly. The cap number is the sum of the bonus part and the salary part. Bonus is guaranteed. Salary is not. The remaining bonus becomes "immediately" due if the player is cut. So to Guido's example. A $24 million signing bonus over 6 years counts $4 million a year against the cap. With a $24 million check in hand, JG would be happy to take a $1 million salary for the first year. So the cap number is $1+$4 million = $5 million. But JG gets a $24 million check when he signs. Now the cap number the last 3 years of the contract may be $12/$15/$18 million/year because the salary increases to $8/$11/$14 million/year by the end. But then you can renegotiate, cut another bonus check, and spread out the cap number by extending the contract. Or if the player isn't productive simply cut them and eat the remaining bonus money which at that point is a lot less than the cap number with the inflated salary. Trust me that both sides are motivated to get a long term deal done by next week. JG wants his big contract and big bonus check now, while the Saints want the cap relief of the long term contract. That's the reason that it'll get done. SFIAH B_Dub_Saint likes this.
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07-03-2014, 01:28 PM	#6
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions. Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I posted a detailed example of a potential JG contract about 3 weeks ago. You can read it here: http://blackandgold.com/saints/66411...tml#post597157 The cap really isn't that difficult to understand. Bonuses are divided evenly over the life of the contract. Salary is paid yearly. The cap number is the sum of the bonus part and the salary part. Bonus is guaranteed. Salary is not. The remaining bonus becomes "immediately" due if the player is cut. So to Guido's example. A $24 million signing bonus over 6 years counts $4 million a year against the cap. With a $24 million check in hand, JG would be happy to take a $1 million salary for the first year. So the cap number is $1+$4 million = $5 million. But JG gets a $24 million check when he signs. Now the cap number the last 3 years of the contract may be $12/$15/$18 million/year because the salary increases to $8/$11/$14 million/year by the end. But then you can renegotiate, cut another bonus check, and spread out the cap number by extending the contract. Or if the player isn't productive simply cut them and eat the remaining bonus money which at that point is a lot less than the cap number with the inflated salary. Trust me that both sides are motivated to get a long term deal done by next week. JG wants his big contract and big bonus check now, while the Saints want the cap relief of the long term contract. That's the reason that it'll get done. SFIAH

07-03-2014, 02:06 PM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,788	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions. Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags? Easy. Wouldn't you be a jealous douchenozzle if you had Matty Skid Britches behind center throwing to Shoddy **** Talker and a cry baby coach all while being annual underachievers? SaintFanInATLHELL and B_Dub_Saint like this.

07-03-2014, 02:21 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions. You are quite welcome. Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags? I gave up on this one a long time ago. It's a waste of time to even try... SFIAH

07-03-2014, 03:09 PM	#9
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Very well put sir. That pretty much answers all of my questions. Now I have a real brain buster for you, ready, why can't the failclown fans stop being jealous douche bags? Wanting what we have -a ring, a good team, a good coach, great fans is really not a mystery.

07-04-2014, 07:33 PM	#10
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint That was great. You should do my taxes bro. I might be a rich man Im still puzzled how the cap really works and the loop holes to get through them. It's not loopholes. The signing bonus is pro-rated over the term of the contract. For instance, a $24 million signing bonus over a 6-year contract comes out to $4 million per year. To that is added each year's salary, plus any incentives, to come up with that season's cap hit. For instance, in Graham's case (we don't know any actual numbers yet except for the $7.053 million franchise tag for this season, which counts against the Saints' salary cap). So if Graham get $24 million in signing bonus, and a $2 million dollar salary for 2014, that adds up to $6 million against the cap for 2014 (if no incentives). In that case, the Saints would gain $1.053 million in this season's cap (the difference between the $7.053 million franchise tag and the $6 million pro-rated bonus + 2014 salary. The signing bonus portion is guaranteed. If that player were to be waived before the end of the contract, the remaining portion of the pro-rated signing bonus would count against the salary cap... which is then "dead money." In some cases the cap hit can be spread over two seasons (I don't know the exact details of how this is done). Perhaps someone can post to this subject. SaintFanInATLHELL and hagan714 like this.

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