Graham designated TE by arbitrator

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2014, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I could see Loomis making him play for the "Tag Money" only this season. With the ruling going against all TE( which is what happened) they might look at the position like they do the RB position, not as glamorous as it use to be and drop the money. The Saints control his butt now. Love it.

Loomis isn't that stupid. A long term would be far more advantageous for the Saints. It would greatly lower his cap hit.

A question for you ... why do you hate Graham so much? You would be hard pressed to find a classier individual on the Saints roster (outside of Drew Brees, of course).

halloween 65 · 07-08-2014, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Loomis isn't that stupid. A long term would be far more advantageous for the Saints. It would greatly lower his cap hit.

A question for you ... why do you hate Graham so much? You would be hard pressed to find a classier individual on the Saints roster (outside of Drew Brees, of course).

Is buisness but to your question about Graham. I don't see heart. God given talent but no heart. I shouldn't mention alligator arms and no (none) blocking skills which overall take away plays on the field (limited) but all of those have been beat to death and could die at any time kind of like (he said, she said). Put a TE in this O that is well rounded and does it all we would be unstopable at least one with a heart.

Utah_Saint · 07-08-2014, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Is buisness but to your question about Graham. I don't see heart. God given talent but no heart. I shouldn't mention alligator arms and no (none) blocking skills which overall take away plays on the field (limited) but all of those have been beat to death and could die at any time kind of like (he said, she said). Put a TE in this O that is well rounded and does it all we would be unstopable at least one with a heart.

Jimmy's played hurt two seasons in a row now, so i don't know why you'd say he has no heart.

As far as "alligator arms", he's scored more touchdowns than anyone in the league over the last 3 seasons. Is it just the style of how he catches the ball? if not how much more did you want him to do?

That Graham has "no (none) blocking skills" is an extreme exaggeration, he's not the best blocking TE but he's certainly not the worst.

So it's not a "he said, she said", PFF rates TEs on their ability to block.

Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in run blocking than....

Jermichael Finley
Brandon Myers
Jim Dray
Coby Fleener
Dallas Clark
Charles Clay
Jordan Cameron
Timothy Wright
Jermaine Gresham
Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez
Julius Thomas
and
Ed Dickson.

Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in pass blocking than...

Heath Miller
Brandon Myers
Brent Celek
Delanie Walker
Jordan Cameron
Ben Watson
Joseph Fauria
Sean McGrath
Kellen Winslow
Owen Daniels
Jermichael Finley
Tony Gonzalez
Zach Miller
Greg Olson
Scott Chandler
Logan Paulsen
Martellus Bennett
Jim Dray
and
Jeff Cumberland

And that's after the Saints faced 6 or 7 of the top front 7s in the league.

The season before, Jimmy Graham graded out positively in both run (27th of 62) and pass (25th of 62) blocking.

Danno · 07-08-2014, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Jimmy's played hurt two seasons in a row now, so i don't know why you'd say he has no heart.

As far as "alligator arms", he's scored more touchdowns than anyone in the league over the last 3 seasons. Is it just the style of how he catches the ball? if not how much more did you want him to do?

That Graham has "no (none) blocking skills" is an extreme exaggeration, he's not the best blocking TE but he's certainly not the worst.

So it's not a "he said, she said", PFF rates TEs on their ability to block.

Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in run blocking than....

Jermichael Finley
Brandon Myers
Jim Dray
Coby Fleener
Dallas Clark
Charles Clay
Jordan Cameron
Timothy Wright
Jermaine Gresham
Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez
Julius Thomas
and
Ed Dickson.

Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in pass blocking than...

Heath Miller
Brandon Myers
Brent Celek
Delanie Walker
Jordan Cameron
Ben Watson
Joseph Fauria
Sean McGrath
Kellen Winslow
Owen Daniels
Jermichael Finley
Tony Gonzalez
Zach Miller
Greg Olson
Scott Chandler
Logan Paulsen
Martellus Bennett
Jim Dray
and
Jeff Cumberland

And that's after the Saints faced 6 or 7 of the top front 7s in the league.

The season before, Jimmy Graham graded out positively in both run (27th of 62) and pass (25th of 62) blocking.

Yeah I saw that someone posted similar info on another site but didn't back it up with PFF stats. He's not a good blocker, but he's not terrible either.

I believe I read he finished 39th among all TE's in blocking last year, which was actually a down year for his career. Considering teams usually keep 3 or more TE's that puts him roughly in the middle of the pack.

He definitely has room to improve though.

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yeah I saw that someone posted similar info on another site but didn't back it up with PFF stats. He's not a good blocker, but he's not terrible either.

I believe I read he finished 39th among all TE's in blocking last year, which was actually a down year for his career. Considering teams usually keep 3 or more TE's that puts him roughly in the middle of the pack.

He definitely has room to improve though.

He is still relatively new to the position and still great, but I agree, he still has room to approve. But those who claim he is a liability blocking or has serious issue catching the ball are delusional.

AsylumGuido · 07-08-2014, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Jimmy's played hurt two seasons in a row now, so i don't know why you'd say he has no heart.

As far as "alligator arms", he's scored more touchdowns than anyone in the league over the last 3 seasons. Is it just the style of how he catches the ball? if not how much more did you want him to do?

That Graham has "no (none) blocking skills" is an extreme exaggeration, he's not the best blocking TE but he's certainly not the worst.

So it's not a "he said, she said", PFF rates TEs on their ability to block.

Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in run blocking than....

Jermichael Finley
Brandon Myers
Jim Dray
Coby Fleener
Dallas Clark
Charles Clay
Jordan Cameron
Timothy Wright
Jermaine Gresham
Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez
Julius Thomas
and
Ed Dickson.

Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in pass blocking than...

Heath Miller
Brandon Myers
Brent Celek
Delanie Walker
Jordan Cameron
Ben Watson
Joseph Fauria
Sean McGrath
Kellen Winslow
Owen Daniels
Jermichael Finley
Tony Gonzalez
Zach Miller
Greg Olson
Scott Chandler
Logan Paulsen
Martellus Bennett
Jim Dray
and
Jeff Cumberland

And that's after the Saints faced 6 or 7 of the top front 7s in the league.

The season before, Jimmy Graham graded out positively in both run (27th of 62) and pass (25th of 62) blocking.

^^^^^

To all of you Graham haters. Read the above and think. Come up with the REAL reason why you hate him so much. Behind Brees he is arguably the best offensive threat on the team. Behind Brees he is arguably the best character person on the team.

The alligator arms argument is totally bogus, as is the supposed blocking issue. My thoughts are that you may have other issues with Graham, instead. And if you try to say it had to do with the negotiations this off-season then you truly have no idea of how these things work. If it is the grievance, then you have totally ignored that the whole affair was driven by the NFLPA, not Jimmy Graham.

What is the real reason?

07-08-2014, 11:14 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by halloween 65 I could see Loomis making him play for the "Tag Money" only this season. With the ruling going against all TE( which is what happened) they might look at the position like they do the RB position, not as glamorous as it use to be and drop the money. The Saints control his butt now. Love it. Loomis isn't that stupid. A long term would be far more advantageous for the Saints. It would greatly lower his cap hit. A question for you ... why do you hate Graham so much? You would be hard pressed to find a classier individual on the Saints roster (outside of Drew Brees, of course).

07-08-2014, 01:06 PM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Loomis isn't that stupid. A long term would be far more advantageous for the Saints. It would greatly lower his cap hit. A question for you ... why do you hate Graham so much? You would be hard pressed to find a classier individual on the Saints roster (outside of Drew Brees, of course). Is buisness but to your question about Graham. I don't see heart. God given talent but no heart. I shouldn't mention alligator arms and no (none) blocking skills which overall take away plays on the field (limited) but all of those have been beat to death and could die at any time kind of like (he said, she said). Put a TE in this O that is well rounded and does it all we would be unstopable at least one with a heart.

07-08-2014, 02:14 PM	#3
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by halloween 65 Is buisness but to your question about Graham. I don't see heart. God given talent but no heart. I shouldn't mention alligator arms and no (none) blocking skills which overall take away plays on the field (limited) but all of those have been beat to death and could die at any time kind of like (he said, she said). Put a TE in this O that is well rounded and does it all we would be unstopable at least one with a heart. Jimmy's played hurt two seasons in a row now, so i don't know why you'd say he has no heart. As far as "alligator arms", he's scored more touchdowns than anyone in the league over the last 3 seasons. Is it just the style of how he catches the ball? if not how much more did you want him to do? That Graham has "no (none) blocking skills" is an extreme exaggeration, he's not the best blocking TE but he's certainly not the worst. So it's not a "he said, she said", PFF rates TEs on their ability to block. Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in run blocking than.... Jermichael Finley Brandon Myers Jim Dray Coby Fleener Dallas Clark Charles Clay Jordan Cameron Timothy Wright Jermaine Gresham Antonio Gates Tony Gonzalez Julius Thomas and Ed Dickson. Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in pass blocking than... Heath Miller Brandon Myers Brent Celek Delanie Walker Jordan Cameron Ben Watson Joseph Fauria Sean McGrath Kellen Winslow Owen Daniels Jermichael Finley Tony Gonzalez Zach Miller Greg Olson Scott Chandler Logan Paulsen Martellus Bennett Jim Dray and Jeff Cumberland And that's after the Saints faced 6 or 7 of the top front 7s in the league. The season before, Jimmy Graham graded out positively in both run (27th of 62) and pass (25th of 62) blocking. SaintFanInATLHELL, AsylumGuido and AliJee like this.

07-08-2014, 02:31 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Jimmy's played hurt two seasons in a row now, so i don't know why you'd say he has no heart. As far as "alligator arms", he's scored more touchdowns than anyone in the league over the last 3 seasons. Is it just the style of how he catches the ball? if not how much more did you want him to do? That Graham has "no (none) blocking skills" is an extreme exaggeration, he's not the best blocking TE but he's certainly not the worst. So it's not a "he said, she said", PFF rates TEs on their ability to block. Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in run blocking than.... Jermichael Finley Brandon Myers Jim Dray Coby Fleener Dallas Clark Charles Clay Jordan Cameron Timothy Wright Jermaine Gresham Antonio Gates Tony Gonzalez Julius Thomas and Ed Dickson. Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in pass blocking than... Heath Miller Brandon Myers Brent Celek Delanie Walker Jordan Cameron Ben Watson Joseph Fauria Sean McGrath Kellen Winslow Owen Daniels Jermichael Finley Tony Gonzalez Zach Miller Greg Olson Scott Chandler Logan Paulsen Martellus Bennett Jim Dray and Jeff Cumberland And that's after the Saints faced 6 or 7 of the top front 7s in the league. The season before, Jimmy Graham graded out positively in both run (27th of 62) and pass (25th of 62) blocking. Yeah I saw that someone posted similar info on another site but didn't back it up with PFF stats. He's not a good blocker, but he's not terrible either. I believe I read he finished 39th among all TE's in blocking last year, which was actually a down year for his career. Considering teams usually keep 3 or more TE's that puts him roughly in the middle of the pack. He definitely has room to improve though.

07-08-2014, 05:42 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by Danno Yeah I saw that someone posted similar info on another site but didn't back it up with PFF stats. He's not a good blocker, but he's not terrible either. I believe I read he finished 39th among all TE's in blocking last year, which was actually a down year for his career. Considering teams usually keep 3 or more TE's that puts him roughly in the middle of the pack. He definitely has room to improve though. He is still relatively new to the position and still great, but I agree, he still has room to approve. But those who claim he is a liability blocking or has serious issue catching the ball are delusional. Danno likes this.

07-08-2014, 05:37 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Graham designated TE by arbitrator Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Jimmy's played hurt two seasons in a row now, so i don't know why you'd say he has no heart. As far as "alligator arms", he's scored more touchdowns than anyone in the league over the last 3 seasons. Is it just the style of how he catches the ball? if not how much more did you want him to do? That Graham has "no (none) blocking skills" is an extreme exaggeration, he's not the best blocking TE but he's certainly not the worst. So it's not a "he said, she said", PFF rates TEs on their ability to block. Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in run blocking than.... Jermichael Finley Brandon Myers Jim Dray Coby Fleener Dallas Clark Charles Clay Jordan Cameron Timothy Wright Jermaine Gresham Antonio Gates Tony Gonzalez Julius Thomas and Ed Dickson. Last season Jimmy Graham rated higher in pass blocking than... Heath Miller Brandon Myers Brent Celek Delanie Walker Jordan Cameron Ben Watson Joseph Fauria Sean McGrath Kellen Winslow Owen Daniels Jermichael Finley Tony Gonzalez Zach Miller Greg Olson Scott Chandler Logan Paulsen Martellus Bennett Jim Dray and Jeff Cumberland And that's after the Saints faced 6 or 7 of the top front 7s in the league. The season before, Jimmy Graham graded out positively in both run (27th of 62) and pass (25th of 62) blocking. ^^^^^ To all of you Graham haters. Read the above and think. Come up with the REAL reason why you hate him so much. Behind Brees he is arguably the best offensive threat on the team. Behind Brees he is arguably the best character person on the team. The alligator arms argument is totally bogus, as is the supposed blocking issue. My thoughts are that you may have other issues with Graham, instead. And if you try to say it had to do with the negotiations this off-season then you truly have no idea of how these things work. If it is the grievance, then you have totally ignored that the whole affair was driven by the NFLPA, not Jimmy Graham. What is the real reason? Danno likes this.

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