If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract

vtiger72 · 07-04-2014, 07:51 PM

The average value is probably not the hold up; it's the guaranteed amount and how much Graham gets upfront.

The Dude · 07-05-2014, 02:59 PM

I agree. He is a very good receiving TE but lacks the ability to block like other good TEs. He is often injured and gets the dropsies. He also can kind of disappear. I don't think he deserves top TE money. I agree that he is a top 5 and think he should receive right around what Gronk gets and only that much because of inflation of the players salaries from year to year. If we don't get a good deal on his contract Loomis will have to do some major shaking of the money tree to sign Nicks and Jordon next year.

hagan714 · 07-06-2014, 09:30 AM

telling you if jimmy gets a 5 year deal and when 32 rolls around i am betting the saints will be repeating the will smith contract all over again.

no matter which of these big TE we talk about it is starting to prove that the new rules in tackling are shorting their time on the field. those miss matches we all love put them up against harder hitting players that under cut with force.

By the way i have seen Gronk's effect on the field for a few years now living in Pats country and his impact with out the ball is by far greater than anything jimmy can do. that is what separates them

both will be lucky to make it to 32 and have the same level of play they had even banged up as they were last year.

SmashMouth · 07-06-2014, 10:56 AM

League min, since he needs to work on his blocking still?

AsylumGuido · 07-06-2014, 11:16 AM

I have mentioned this before and I wish to restate it ... I don't give a flying rat's ass about Graham's supposed blocking ability. Blocking TE's are nothing more than glorified offensive tackles. His value as an offensive threat far, far, far outweighs any perceived lack of blocking skills. It is not his job in Payton's scheme to be a blocker. He has more value as a decoy.

As for any supposed "dropsies", those claims all link back to two years ago when he was playing with the bad wrist.

Cruize · 07-06-2014, 12:03 PM

Franchise tag. Play and prove you can be a complete TE and not disappear when someone gets a little physical with you. Otherwise, sit at home with nothing and get traded next offseason. Of course, that's easy for a fan to say. LOL. Loomis will do what's best for the Saints.

AsylumGuido · 07-06-2014, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Franchise tag. Play and prove you can be a complete TE and not disappear when someone gets a little physical with you. Otherwise, sit at home with nothing and get traded next offseason. Of course, that's easy for a fan to say. LOL. Loomis will do what's best for the Saints.

...and that is absolutely the last thing he would let happen. Graham is not your prototypical TE. He has a special skill set that makes him a match-up nightmare. A complete TE? So you are telling me you would rather give up the best receiving production in the league over the past three years to have something a little above average that meets your blocking criteria?

And, as for someone getting a little physical, you do realize that it was arguably the two most talented, physical CB's in the NFL who were given the latitude to absolutely mug Graham throughout the two contests where he "disappeared" ... Talib and Sherman, right?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-06-2014, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Franchise tag. Play and prove you can be a complete TE and not disappear when someone gets a little physical with you. Otherwise, sit at home with nothing and get traded next offseason. Of course, that's easy for a fan to say. LOL. Loomis will do what's best for the Saints.

Sometimes the round and round on this discussion gets a bit old. JG is a free agent. The Saints no longer have his rights. He is not under contract. The Saints cannot trade him unless they sign him to a contract first.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

...and that is absolutely the last thing he would let happen. Graham is not your prototypical TE. He has a special skill set that makes him a match-up nightmare. A complete TE? So you are telling me you would rather give up the best receiving production in the league over the past three years to have something a little above average that meets your blocking criteria?

And, as for someone getting a little physical, you do realize that it was arguably the two most talented, physical CB's in the NFL who were given the latitude to absolutely mug Graham throughout the two contests where he "disappeared" ... Talib and Sherman, right?

This is a definite instance of allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the excellent.

I don't think folks realize that the Saints do not have the leverage here. It's sheer lunacy to think it's better to pay $7, $15, or $31 million over 1,2, or 3 years respectively, with each and every dime on the current salary cap, then lose a HOF player than to work out a deal that keeps that HOF player here for a significant period at a reasoniable cap number for at least 3 years.

Jimmy Graham has nothing to prove. Fortunately Mickey Loomis understands that. Which is why the deal will get done.

SFIAH

SmashMouth · 07-06-2014, 03:06 PM

His improved blocking skills sure could help some in the running game, even downfield. Colston sure doesn't mind blocking downfield. Plus methinks he can get better at separation against the likes of Talib and Sherman.

Rugby Saint II · 07-10-2014, 05:01 PM

Loomis is a financial genius. Our whole FO is really loaded with top notch people.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,553	Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract Originally Posted by Cruize Franchise tag. Play and prove you can be a complete TE and not disappear when someone gets a little physical with you. Otherwise, sit at home with nothing and get traded next offseason. Of course, that's easy for a fan to say. LOL. Loomis will do what's best for the Saints. ...and that is absolutely the last thing he would let happen. Graham is not your prototypical TE. He has a special skill set that makes him a match-up nightmare. A complete TE? So you are telling me you would rather give up the best receiving production in the league over the past three years to have something a little above average that meets your blocking criteria? And, as for someone getting a little physical, you do realize that it was arguably the two most talented, physical CB's in the NFL who were given the latitude to absolutely mug Graham throughout the two contests where he "disappeared" ... Talib and Sherman, right? SaintFanInATLHELL and ScottF like this.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: If you were Loomis writing Graham's contract Originally Posted by Cruize Franchise tag. Play and prove you can be a complete TE and not disappear when someone gets a little physical with you. Otherwise, sit at home with nothing and get traded next offseason. Of course, that's easy for a fan to say. LOL. Loomis will do what's best for the Saints. Sometimes the round and round on this discussion gets a bit old. JG is a free agent. The Saints no longer have his rights. He is not under contract. The Saints cannot trade him unless they sign him to a contract first. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido ...and that is absolutely the last thing he would let happen. Graham is not your prototypical TE. He has a special skill set that makes him a match-up nightmare. A complete TE? So you are telling me you would rather give up the best receiving production in the league over the past three years to have something a little above average that meets your blocking criteria? And, as for someone getting a little physical, you do realize that it was arguably the two most talented, physical CB's in the NFL who were given the latitude to absolutely mug Graham throughout the two contests where he "disappeared" ... Talib and Sherman, right? This is a definite instance of allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the excellent. I don't think folks realize that the Saints do not have the leverage here. It's sheer lunacy to think it's better to pay $7, $15, or $31 million over 1,2, or 3 years respectively, with each and every dime on the current salary cap, then lose a HOF player than to work out a deal that keeps that HOF player here for a significant period at a reasoniable cap number for at least 3 years. Jimmy Graham has nothing to prove. Fortunately Mickey Loomis understands that. Which is why the deal will get done. SFIAH AsylumGuido and AliJee like this.
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