Top five pick

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-09-2004, 11:37 AM

With last weeks loss the Saints move up to the number 5 pick in the draft as of this week. The site I looked at had the saints taking Derrick Johnson with that pick, and Kyle Orton in the second. The site also has Corey Webster, and Rogers form Auburn slipping into the second round, if that is the case I cant see the saints passing on either one of them to take a QB. Would be a good start to get the best LB and one of the top corners in the draft with your first two picks.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html

[Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

shadowdrinker_x · 12-09-2004, 11:48 AM

In a way, The anticipation of next years draft exceeds the excitement of watching them play this year....

It\'s sad...

At this point, I\'m happy to be in the top 5 draft picking order...i don\'t really think it will matter much to be moved up a spot or two...to like a top 3 pick...

Man..what if Haslett picks again...And gets \'\'His kind of Player\'\'? and totally bypasses getting Johnson?..or someone like Rolle?..to get another defensive lineman?

More than ever I wish that Haslett would get canned...right now..before he fouls up another draft .

saintswhodi · 12-09-2004, 11:52 AM

No way Webster falls that far. And even if he does, I see us more taking a shot at Shazor at SS than Webster at corner. Now I love Webster, but we need a big time safety. We have MM and Fakhir and Craft. Get another decent corner in free agency, but lock down that safety position with Shazor from Mich. Then we get a top lb, a top safety, a decent cb in free agency, a decent nose tackle in free agency. Mitchell can start at free and Shazor can play strong, replacing Bellamy. I would love to get Orton, but think his stock has fallen and he will be there in the 3rd round.

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-09-2004, 11:54 AM

Haz wont be picking this season. As long as they dont win more than one more they will get Johnson. This season is over and the only thing I am looking for to is the draft. I dont think you can go into next season without another CB. Brown and MM have had their moments, but their play has been spotty at best. Ortons stock has taken a huge dive, and isnt worthy of that high a pick. I would love to see Webster and Johnson starting on this team next season.

[Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

saintswhodi · 12-09-2004, 12:08 PM

Just asking whodat, but with no good safeties in free agency, and decent corners like Ken Lucas there, you would pass on the chance to replace an aging Bellamy and keep the same safeties? Gleason is a special teamer, that\'s it. Tesucky is a waste. Bellamy is good but like Ambrose, long in the tooth. I don\'t think we can pass on a safety that good if he is there. I think we take a chance at a young corner in the 3rd round but if the league has proven nothing else recently, it is that young safeties can come in and play well. Terrence Kiel in San D., Ken Hamlin and Michael Boulware in Seattle, Roy Williams, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Gibril Wilson was a 5th rounder of the Giants and he is a stud. As for corners, Terrence Newman has looked awful this year, Deangelo Hall was hurt 8 games, Dunta Robinson is good but spotty in Houston, Charles tillman has regressed in Chicago, and I have not heard Chris Gamble or Ricky Manning\'s names all year. IMO, safety is definitely the way to go after Johnson.

whodatsaintsfan26 · 12-09-2004, 12:41 PM

Im not saying that saftey isnt an issue, but there are a couple of quality young safties in the league that will become free agents. Only one of them is expected to be franchised. Donovan Darius, Kenoy Kennedy, Bashir from indy, and Terreal Bierria. Darius has the most experience with 7 seasons, but the rest are 4 years or less in the league. I think corner is a little thinner in free agency than safety is. This defense has a lot of needs, and I dont think they could go wrong with any of the players mentioned.

[Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

[Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

saintswhodi · 12-09-2004, 01:49 PM

You may be right whodat. I don\'t think we could go wrong with either. I would love to have Webster and Johnson. But if all those safeties are on the open market, I would definitely give Webster a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG look if he is on the board with our second pick. If not rogers. I still would love to have Shazor though. Maybe we can get Mike McMahon and a second or first rounder for Aaron Brooks. I know this is all wild speculation, but it\'s all in fun and with realizing these are remote possibilities.

4saintspirit · 12-09-2004, 04:11 PM

Need more help than a safety -- I will be very upset if we don\'t use a top 5/6 pick on a linebacker or shut down corner. May not be the case but one of our big problems at safety may be because they really are not truly playing the safety position. With our pathetic running defense and linebackers they are usually out of safety position to assist the run d and expend way too much energy in stopping the run. Because of this they become more predictable and easily nullified. This theory is at least worth not drafting a safety.

saintswhodi · 12-09-2004, 04:23 PM

I don\'t buy your theory 4saint. First, Bill Belichek said Tebucky Jones was a dumb player and they were glad New orleans wanted him. He has not proven Bill wrong yet. Second, Bellamy is getting old. And he can\'t cover, even though he is great in run support. Third, Mitchell will get one of the safety spots, if for no other reason than he seems to be the fastest. I am sure game experience will help him also. Lastly, Gleason, while I am happy to see him out there, is a special teamer, or at least a couple of years away. He is what Bill Bates used to be for Dallas. Great on special teams and competent when pressed into duty. A top notch safety is a great move for this team, especially with all the young safeties I have listed making impacts in their rookie seasons. Also, our cb position is not the worst in the league, and improving our run D and pass rush with Johnson at lb, stud ss in the draft, free agent nose tackle and a decent free agent corner like Ken Lucas, we have no true need to draft another. IMO, safety is a more urgent need than cb, whether it is addressed in the draft or free agency. the most glaring need is a lb and a nt.

BrooksMustGo · 12-09-2004, 04:57 PM

If Brodney Poole or Donte Nicholson drop into the bottom half of the second round, I wouldn\'t be angry if we traded up to get them.

If they fall into the 3rd, I\'d do whatever it took to get one of them.

I\'d rather have Derrick Johnson and Lance Mitchell first though.

12-09-2004, 11:37 AM	#1
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Top five pick With last weeks loss the Saints move up to the number 5 pick in the draft as of this week. The site I looked at had the saints taking Derrick Johnson with that pick, and Kyle Orton in the second. The site also has Corey Webster, and Rogers form Auburn slipping into the second round, if that is the case I cant see the saints passing on either one of them to take a QB. Would be a good start to get the best LB and one of the top corners in the draft with your first two picks. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html [Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

12-09-2004, 11:48 AM	#2
shadowdrinker_x Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 218	Top five pick In a way, The anticipation of next years draft exceeds the excitement of watching them play this year.... It\'s sad... At this point, I\'m happy to be in the top 5 draft picking order...i don\'t really think it will matter much to be moved up a spot or two...to like a top 3 pick... Man..what if Haslett picks again...And gets \'\'His kind of Player\'\'? and totally bypasses getting Johnson?..or someone like Rolle?..to get another defensive lineman? More than ever I wish that Haslett would get canned...right now..before he fouls up another draft .

12-09-2004, 11:52 AM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Top five pick No way Webster falls that far. And even if he does, I see us more taking a shot at Shazor at SS than Webster at corner. Now I love Webster, but we need a big time safety. We have MM and Fakhir and Craft. Get another decent corner in free agency, but lock down that safety position with Shazor from Mich. Then we get a top lb, a top safety, a decent cb in free agency, a decent nose tackle in free agency. Mitchell can start at free and Shazor can play strong, replacing Bellamy. I would love to get Orton, but think his stock has fallen and he will be there in the 3rd round.

12-09-2004, 11:54 AM	#4
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Top five pick Haz wont be picking this season. As long as they dont win more than one more they will get Johnson. This season is over and the only thing I am looking for to is the draft. I dont think you can go into next season without another CB. Brown and MM have had their moments, but their play has been spotty at best. Ortons stock has taken a huge dive, and isnt worthy of that high a pick. I would love to see Webster and Johnson starting on this team next season. [Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

12-09-2004, 12:08 PM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Top five pick Just asking whodat, but with no good safeties in free agency, and decent corners like Ken Lucas there, you would pass on the chance to replace an aging Bellamy and keep the same safeties? Gleason is a special teamer, that\'s it. Tesucky is a waste. Bellamy is good but like Ambrose, long in the tooth. I don\'t think we can pass on a safety that good if he is there. I think we take a chance at a young corner in the 3rd round but if the league has proven nothing else recently, it is that young safeties can come in and play well. Terrence Kiel in San D., Ken Hamlin and Michael Boulware in Seattle, Roy Williams, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Gibril Wilson was a 5th rounder of the Giants and he is a stud. As for corners, Terrence Newman has looked awful this year, Deangelo Hall was hurt 8 games, Dunta Robinson is good but spotty in Houston, Charles tillman has regressed in Chicago, and I have not heard Chris Gamble or Ricky Manning\'s names all year. IMO, safety is definitely the way to go after Johnson.

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12-09-2004, 12:41 PM	#6
whodatsaintsfan26 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 577	Top five pick Im not saying that saftey isnt an issue, but there are a couple of quality young safties in the league that will become free agents. Only one of them is expected to be franchised. Donovan Darius, Kenoy Kennedy, Bashir from indy, and Terreal Bierria. Darius has the most experience with 7 seasons, but the rest are 4 years or less in the league. I think corner is a little thinner in free agency than safety is. This defense has a lot of needs, and I dont think they could go wrong with any of the players mentioned. [Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26] [Edited on 9/12/2004 by whodatsaintsfan26]

12-09-2004, 01:49 PM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Top five pick You may be right whodat. I don\'t think we could go wrong with either. I would love to have Webster and Johnson. But if all those safeties are on the open market, I would definitely give Webster a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG look if he is on the board with our second pick. If not rogers. I still would love to have Shazor though. Maybe we can get Mike McMahon and a second or first rounder for Aaron Brooks. I know this is all wild speculation, but it\'s all in fun and with realizing these are remote possibilities.

12-09-2004, 04:11 PM	#8
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Top five pick Need more help than a safety -- I will be very upset if we don\'t use a top 5/6 pick on a linebacker or shut down corner. May not be the case but one of our big problems at safety may be because they really are not truly playing the safety position. With our pathetic running defense and linebackers they are usually out of safety position to assist the run d and expend way too much energy in stopping the run. Because of this they become more predictable and easily nullified. This theory is at least worth not drafting a safety.
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12-09-2004, 04:23 PM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Top five pick I don\'t buy your theory 4saint. First, Bill Belichek said Tebucky Jones was a dumb player and they were glad New orleans wanted him. He has not proven Bill wrong yet. Second, Bellamy is getting old. And he can\'t cover, even though he is great in run support. Third, Mitchell will get one of the safety spots, if for no other reason than he seems to be the fastest. I am sure game experience will help him also. Lastly, Gleason, while I am happy to see him out there, is a special teamer, or at least a couple of years away. He is what Bill Bates used to be for Dallas. Great on special teams and competent when pressed into duty. A top notch safety is a great move for this team, especially with all the young safeties I have listed making impacts in their rookie seasons. Also, our cb position is not the worst in the league, and improving our run D and pass rush with Johnson at lb, stud ss in the draft, free agent nose tackle and a decent free agent corner like Ken Lucas, we have no true need to draft another. IMO, safety is a more urgent need than cb, whether it is addressed in the draft or free agency. the most glaring need is a lb and a nt.

12-09-2004, 04:57 PM	#10
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Top five pick If Brodney Poole or Donte Nicholson drop into the bottom half of the second round, I wouldn\'t be angry if we traded up to get them. If they fall into the 3rd, I\'d do whatever it took to get one of them. I\'d rather have Derrick Johnson and Lance Mitchell first though.