TeBucky Jones--Most Over-rated

BrooksMustGo · 12-18-2004, 03:45 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3244196

Tebucky Jones, Saints. He can get from Point A to Point B as fast as anyone. But what Jones possesses in speed, he lacks in instincts. "He's all over the place," says an NFC scout. "You just can't trust him."

Anyone disagree?

spkb25 · 12-18-2004, 04:42 PM

he seems to miss tackles at times. when he comes up against the run he doesnt seem to take the right angle.

JKool · 12-18-2004, 06:49 PM

I think his instincts against the run are poor to fair (actually, when he gets near the line he becomes a moron, as near as I can tell). Someone recently suggested we move him to SS; I think that is a bad idea for this reason.

His work against the pass has been good this year. Sure he makes some mistakes, but the deep ball has been relatively contained this year (just think back to the big plays we witnessed back the Knight/Bellamy days - don\'t get me wrong, they were thugs and I loved them, but they couldn\'t stop anyone over the top). We\'ve given up a few more big balls this year than last, but I think that is because Bellamy\'s range is dropping.

Also, as BnB noted elsewhere, he looks like he\'s on an island a lot of the time (which is actually a sign of the faith put in him out there).

His tackling has improved ten fold (to the point where I believe he is a decent tackler).

If it weren\'t for his huge price tag, I would think he was a solid to good FS.

WhoDat · 12-18-2004, 10:37 PM

Just another physical specimen with no football instincts - sounds like most of Haslett\'s choices.

Danno · 12-19-2004, 09:14 AM

Once again, we point out a player thats NOT near the top of the list of the main problems (player-wise) with this team.

If he was making Bellamy money no one would be calling him out.

DT (nose)
SLB
WLB

Those are the big 3. If we even had good B players at those positions Tebucky posts would disappear.

But until Venturi and McCarthy leave, all player personnel improvement discussions are practically meaningless, yet they still hopelessly draw me in, just like the Hardees girl riding that bull. WOW!

You could give Venturi/McCarthy the pro-bowl rosters and 9-7 is about as good as they\'d finish.

dberce1 · 12-19-2004, 11:32 AM

Just another physical specimen with no football instincts - sounds like most of Haslett\'s choices.

Agreed, although I\'m not so sure it\'s simply Haslett who\'s bringing these guys in. If you look at New England, their players have half of our physical talent, but actual 5* the brain power.

BrooksMustGo · 12-19-2004, 02:15 PM

Ummmm, actually TBuck is a problem due to scheme.

If Venturi is going to insist on running zone (when McKenzie is far better at playing man) then TBuck needs to know where to be on the field. Against Carolina he kept getting in the wrong place and Muhammed caught for a big gain.

What use is a zone system if the safety is out of position to help? Seems like a brain problem here.

RDOX · 12-19-2004, 02:58 PM

Once again, we point out a player thats NOT near the top of the list of the main problems (player-wise) with this team.

If he was making Bellamy money no one would be calling him out.

DT (nose)
SLB
WLB

Those are the big 3. If we even had good B players at those positions Tebucky posts would disappear.

But until Venturi and McCarthy leave, all player personnel improvement discussions are practically meaningless, yet they still hopelessly draw me in, just like the Hardees girl riding that bull. WOW!

You could give Venturi/McCarthy the pro-bowl rosters and 9-7 is about as good as they\'d finish.

Absolutely right!! It appears to me that Jones has improved a bit this year. He is fast and he has really sharpened his tackling skills. When McKenzie appeared, he got better, not perfect, but better.

What the main problem is and remains is Venturi and his Einstein Defense. This group doesn\'t have the brain power or ability to understand what the Great Mind of Defense is talking about. What we need is a defensive genious that can design a scheme to be executed by idiots. Because, folks, that\'s what we have, idiots, that is.

Who wants to bet that Buffet Boy Sullivan, is sulking because he doesn\'t have the smarts to understand what the hell is going on. In Georgia, he was told, \"Sick em\" and that\'s what he did. Here he has to learn \"technique,\" whatever the hell techinque is in this scheme.

If you look deep enough, I\'ll bet you find that over half this bunch doesn\'t understand what the coaching staff is talking about. That is very evident with Fumbles the Clown and the audible situation. Right?

12-18-2004, 03:45 PM	#1
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	TeBucky Jones--Most Over-rated http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3244196 Tebucky Jones, Saints. He can get from Point A to Point B as fast as anyone. But what Jones possesses in speed, he lacks in instincts. "He's all over the place," says an NFC scout. "You just can't trust him." Anyone disagree?

12-18-2004, 04:42 PM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	TeBucky Jones--Most Over-rated he seems to miss tackles at times. when he comes up against the run he doesnt seem to take the right angle.

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JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	TeBucky Jones--Most Over-rated I think his instincts against the run are poor to fair (actually, when he gets near the line he becomes a moron, as near as I can tell). Someone recently suggested we move him to SS; I think that is a bad idea for this reason. His work against the pass has been good this year. Sure he makes some mistakes, but the deep ball has been relatively contained this year (just think back to the big plays we witnessed back the Knight/Bellamy days - don\'t get me wrong, they were thugs and I loved them, but they couldn\'t stop anyone over the top). We\'ve given up a few more big balls this year than last, but I think that is because Bellamy\'s range is dropping. Also, as BnB noted elsewhere, he looks like he\'s on an island a lot of the time (which is actually a sign of the faith put in him out there). His tackling has improved ten fold (to the point where I believe he is a decent tackler). If it weren\'t for his huge price tag, I would think he was a solid to good FS.
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12-19-2004, 02:15 PM	#7
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	TeBucky Jones--Most Over-rated Ummmm, actually TBuck is a problem due to scheme. If Venturi is going to insist on running zone (when McKenzie is far better at playing man) then TBuck needs to know where to be on the field. Against Carolina he kept getting in the wrong place and Muhammed caught for a big gain. What use is a zone system if the safety is out of position to help? Seems like a brain problem here.

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RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	TeBucky Jones--Most Over-rated Once again, we point out a player thats NOT near the top of the list of the main problems (player-wise) with this team. If he was making Bellamy money no one would be calling him out. DT (nose) SLB WLB Those are the big 3. If we even had good B players at those positions Tebucky posts would disappear. But until Venturi and McCarthy leave, all player personnel improvement discussions are practically meaningless, yet they still hopelessly draw me in, just like the Hardees girl riding that bull. WOW! You could give Venturi/McCarthy the pro-bowl rosters and 9-7 is about as good as they\'d finish. Absolutely right!! It appears to me that Jones has improved a bit this year. He is fast and he has really sharpened his tackling skills. When McKenzie appeared, he got better, not perfect, but better. What the main problem is and remains is Venturi and his Einstein Defense. This group doesn\'t have the brain power or ability to understand what the Great Mind of Defense is talking about. What we need is a defensive genious that can design a scheme to be executed by idiots. Because, folks, that\'s what we have, idiots, that is. Who wants to bet that Buffet Boy Sullivan, is sulking because he doesn\'t have the smarts to understand what the hell is going on. In Georgia, he was told, \"Sick em\" and that\'s what he did. Here he has to learn \"technique,\" whatever the hell techinque is in this scheme. If you look deep enough, I\'ll bet you find that over half this bunch doesn\'t understand what the coaching staff is talking about. That is very evident with Fumbles the Clown and the audible situation. Right?
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