Our "O" Line

RDOX · 12-20-2004, 03:43 PM

If Folau is a better LT than Jonathan Stinchcomb then I\'m sad to say Stichcomb is way more of a bust than Sullivan. I was feeling embarrassed for Spencer. It reminded me of the Turley LT experiment. Hopefully Stinchcomb was just inactive and Folau was forced to play out of position, therby looking completely lost.

It was the worst O-line play I\'ve witnessed in years. Gator got me thinking. With such a pathetic O-line, Stecker may be a better fit for us right now due to his jitter-bug abilities, which are apparently necessary with this O-line to avoid being tackled 5 yards behind the line. In fact, I\'m tempted to say Michael Lewis may have more success with that imitation of an O-line.

I\'m afraid that O-lineman has now moved up the needs list substantially.

You are 100% dead on. What I find strange is that Spencer Folau did a credible job at Right Tackle one year when Riley was suspended then couldn\'t get it away from Spencer. I\'m also with WhoDat about Wayne Gandy. He is past his prime and is also ailing in the legs (at 36 who wouldn\'t be at that position). What I fail to understand is why didn\'t they move Riley to LT and play Spencer at RT. What else has happened is that we pissed away Naole, Turley, and Roaf (3 first rounders) for what we have now. Says what great player talent evaluation staff we have, doesn\'t it.

WhoDat · 12-20-2004, 04:25 PM

McCarthy must disagree, since the final TD was a designed one-step drop the O line was praying they didn\'t put it.

Dude, go watch the film. Do you have it? I\'ll send you a tape if not. I read the same article you did and it suggested McCarthy called ONE such play all game. I\'ll bet you $10,000 right now that the majority, even the vast majority, of passing plays involved AB dropping back more than 3 steps, whether by design or not. Wanna bet?

saintfan · 12-20-2004, 04:45 PM

Maybe you should watch the film and see if you can tell me how that line excelles again. Maybe you can blame all 7 sacks on Brooks, but I don\'t. I don\'t think most would, but you...you\'ll blame him for the chick that sang the anthem before the game being slightly off key. LOL

BrooksMustGo · 12-20-2004, 05:05 PM

No one on this board disagrees with the fact that the line is simply awful.

At present we have to wonder whether the line is fixable by retaining the skill position players we have.

It seems me that the best move is to trade Brooks and pick up a quality run blocking LT in the offseason, make a big push for RT Ryan Diem from Indy in free agency and have more of a run oriented attack with Deuce.

RDOX · 12-20-2004, 05:53 PM

No one on this board disagrees with the fact that the line is simply awful.

At present we have to wonder whether the line is fixable by retaining the skill position players we have.

It seems me that the best move is to trade Brooks and pick up a quality run blocking LT in the offseason, make a big push for RT Ryan Diem from Indy in free agency and have more of a run oriented attack with Deuce.

There you go with the \"trade Brooks\" thingy again. One would believe that you are not enamored with Fumbles the Clown. Dare I be wrong in this assumption? If you watched the Indy slaughter of Baltimore (I watched parts of it), I could have stood back there and thrown the ball without worry of being touched(and I\'m 60). While I share the sentiment that Brooks (aka, Fumbles the Clown) is one of the more mediocre QB\'s in the league, you can\'t throw the ball with 3 people draped on you like christmas tinsel on a tree.

I still say that Hazlett, Big or Baby Mule erred in getting rid of Naole, Turley, & Roaf (locker room cancer and all) Could be that Fumbles is the cancer, not those three guys. :exclam:

WhoDat · 12-20-2004, 06:35 PM

Maybe you should watch the film and see if you can tell me how that line excelles again. Maybe you can blame all 7 sacks on Brooks, but I don\'t. I don\'t think most would, but you...you\'ll blame him for the chick that sang the anthem before the game being slightly off key. LOL

A classic skirt and skew job Saintfan. Congrats.

Let\'s review shall we?

Whodat lists FIVE reasons the line is playing poorly. ONE of those things is the continued and consistent tendency of deep drops by our QB (see that\'s a problem when you have a line that can\'t block and Tackles that can\'t deal with faster more athletic DEs). Did I blame Brooks? NO!!! I said it could be him, it could be McCarthy, that I wasn\'t sure, but I guess it\'s a combination thereof...

Saintfan cites ONE play all game where McCarthy called a short drop - note that it worked well too, further supporting my point that deep drops are problematic and that short drops with a quick release will help the o-line and Brooks. He does this for what purpose other than an attempt to prove me wrong?

I challenge him to show more than one play suggesting my comments are inaccurate.

He doesn\'t even address it, he replies with \"Maybe you can blame all 7 sacks on Brooks, but I don\'t. I don\'t think most would, but you...you\'ll blame him for the chick that sang the anthem before the game being slightly off key. LOL\"

Interesting, considering if his point is that the line play is poor, and I am giving 5 reasons why the line is, in fact, playing poorly,and most of my comments deal with the line and the O coordinator, that he would focus on Aaron Brooks. Obsess much? What exactly are you trying to prove Saintfan? The line is playing poorly? I already agreed and gave reasons. You disagree with my reasons? Why don\'t you suggest why you think the line isn\'t playing well then? Can\'t come up with the ideas on your own? We all know you\'re great at slinging sarcasm and criticism at others - but what exactly are you criticizing in my last two posts in this thread other than me??

You\'re suggesting that I\'m blaming Brooks entirely for the line\'s poor play. I\'m doing nothing of the sort - though AB\'s play IS a factor. To use your analogy, you\'d blame the girls who sang the national anthem for AB\'s backwards passes before you\'d blame him, wouldn\'t you?

[Edited on 20/12/2004 by WhoDat]

12-20-2004, 03:43 PM	#11
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Our "O" Line If Folau is a better LT than Jonathan Stinchcomb then I\'m sad to say Stichcomb is way more of a bust than Sullivan. I was feeling embarrassed for Spencer. It reminded me of the Turley LT experiment. Hopefully Stinchcomb was just inactive and Folau was forced to play out of position, therby looking completely lost. It was the worst O-line play I\'ve witnessed in years. Gator got me thinking. With such a pathetic O-line, Stecker may be a better fit for us right now due to his jitter-bug abilities, which are apparently necessary with this O-line to avoid being tackled 5 yards behind the line. In fact, I\'m tempted to say Michael Lewis may have more success with that imitation of an O-line. I\'m afraid that O-lineman has now moved up the needs list substantially. You are 100% dead on. What I find strange is that Spencer Folau did a credible job at Right Tackle one year when Riley was suspended then couldn\'t get it away from Spencer. I\'m also with WhoDat about Wayne Gandy. He is past his prime and is also ailing in the legs (at 36 who wouldn\'t be at that position). What I fail to understand is why didn\'t they move Riley to LT and play Spencer at RT. What else has happened is that we pissed away Naole, Turley, and Roaf (3 first rounders) for what we have now. Says what great player talent evaluation staff we have, doesn\'t it.
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12-20-2004, 04:25 PM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Our "O" Line McCarthy must disagree, since the final TD was a designed one-step drop the O line was praying they didn\'t put it. Dude, go watch the film. Do you have it? I\'ll send you a tape if not. I read the same article you did and it suggested McCarthy called ONE such play all game. I\'ll bet you $10,000 right now that the majority, even the vast majority, of passing plays involved AB dropping back more than 3 steps, whether by design or not. Wanna bet?
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12-20-2004, 04:45 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Our "O" Line Maybe you should watch the film and see if you can tell me how that line excelles again. Maybe you can blame all 7 sacks on Brooks, but I don\'t. I don\'t think most would, but you...you\'ll blame him for the chick that sang the anthem before the game being slightly off key. LOL

12-20-2004, 05:05 PM	#14
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Our "O" Line No one on this board disagrees with the fact that the line is simply awful. At present we have to wonder whether the line is fixable by retaining the skill position players we have. It seems me that the best move is to trade Brooks and pick up a quality run blocking LT in the offseason, make a big push for RT Ryan Diem from Indy in free agency and have more of a run oriented attack with Deuce.

12-20-2004, 05:53 PM	#15
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Our "O" Line No one on this board disagrees with the fact that the line is simply awful. At present we have to wonder whether the line is fixable by retaining the skill position players we have. It seems me that the best move is to trade Brooks and pick up a quality run blocking LT in the offseason, make a big push for RT Ryan Diem from Indy in free agency and have more of a run oriented attack with Deuce. There you go with the \"trade Brooks\" thingy again. One would believe that you are not enamored with Fumbles the Clown. Dare I be wrong in this assumption? If you watched the Indy slaughter of Baltimore (I watched parts of it), I could have stood back there and thrown the ball without worry of being touched(and I\'m 60). While I share the sentiment that Brooks (aka, Fumbles the Clown) is one of the more mediocre QB\'s in the league, you can\'t throw the ball with 3 people draped on you like christmas tinsel on a tree. I still say that Hazlett, Big or Baby Mule erred in getting rid of Naole, Turley, & Roaf (locker room cancer and all) Could be that Fumbles is the cancer, not those three guys. :exclam:
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12-20-2004, 06:35 PM	#16
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Our "O" Line Maybe you should watch the film and see if you can tell me how that line excelles again. Maybe you can blame all 7 sacks on Brooks, but I don\'t. I don\'t think most would, but you...you\'ll blame him for the chick that sang the anthem before the game being slightly off key. LOL A classic skirt and skew job Saintfan. Congrats. Let\'s review shall we? Whodat lists FIVE reasons the line is playing poorly. ONE of those things is the continued and consistent tendency of deep drops by our QB (see that\'s a problem when you have a line that can\'t block and Tackles that can\'t deal with faster more athletic DEs). Did I blame Brooks? NO!!! I said it could be him, it could be McCarthy, that I wasn\'t sure, but I guess it\'s a combination thereof... Saintfan cites ONE play all game where McCarthy called a short drop - note that it worked well too, further supporting my point that deep drops are problematic and that short drops with a quick release will help the o-line and Brooks. He does this for what purpose other than an attempt to prove me wrong? I challenge him to show more than one play suggesting my comments are inaccurate. He doesn\'t even address it, he replies with \"Maybe you can blame all 7 sacks on Brooks, but I don\'t. I don\'t think most would, but you...you\'ll blame him for the chick that sang the anthem before the game being slightly off key. LOL\" Interesting, considering if his point is that the line play is poor, and I am giving 5 reasons why the line is, in fact, playing poorly,and most of my comments deal with the line and the O coordinator, that he would focus on Aaron Brooks. Obsess much? What exactly are you trying to prove Saintfan? The line is playing poorly? I already agreed and gave reasons. You disagree with my reasons? Why don\'t you suggest why you think the line isn\'t playing well then? Can\'t come up with the ideas on your own? We all know you\'re great at slinging sarcasm and criticism at others - but what exactly are you criticizing in my last two posts in this thread other than me?? You\'re suggesting that I\'m blaming Brooks entirely for the line\'s poor play. I\'m doing nothing of the sort - though AB\'s play IS a factor. To use your analogy, you\'d blame the girls who sang the national anthem for AB\'s backwards passes before you\'d blame him, wouldn\'t you? [Edited on 20/12/2004 by WhoDat]
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