Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The Eagles lacking talent doesn't mean that Sproles could help our defense.

Darren was a cap casualty.

It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take MOST OF THE CRITICISM.

TheOak · 09-16-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take most of thecriticism

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.

TheOak · 09-16-2014, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.

No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years.
3rd down conversion rate with Sproles
2013 44%
2012 44%
2011 57%

Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes
Is there more that goes into it now? yes

I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years.
3rd down conversion rate with Sproles
2013 44%
2012 44%
2011 57%

Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes
Is there more that goes into it now? yes

I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No

You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective

TheOak · 09-16-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective

Seriously? You do not understand what goes into the stat... 221 third downs went into that 2013 stat, you think a few knees a year effects that %? You are also assuming that Sproles was the person converting all of those 3rd downs which isnt even remotely a reality. Sproles had 124 touches in 2013 the Saints had 97 third down conversions. You are trying to tell me 78% of Sproles touches were third down conversions? Just stop...

Know what brother... you have gone off the reservation and I answered what you asked lee which didn't seem to pan out the way you expected.

I don't have the energy to hit a moving target today.

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sproles had 124 touches in 2013 the Saints had 97 third down conversions. You are trying to tell me 78% of Sproles touches were third down conversions?

I don't have the energy to hit a moving target today.

You are very comical, yes, to your question, even if he didn't carry the ball
simply cause defense coordinators had to make plans or run scenarios for the position he played. If you on the field then you must be accounted for and if he was on the field 124 times then 124 times he had to be accounted for... Now, for trying to persuade you, I see you can't be persuaded, so I am gonna just say lets agree to disagree that Sproles would've made a difference from 0-2 to 1-1 or 2-0

saintfan · 09-16-2014, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

I used to defend an unpopular New Orleans QB with this same argument.

09-16-2014, 09:19 AM	#1
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak The Eagles lacking talent doesn't mean that Sproles could help our defense. Darren was a cap casualty. It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take MOST OF THE CRITICISM.

09-16-2014, 09:31 AM	#3
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time. Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense. I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.

09-16-2014, 10:00 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by nola_swammi I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now. No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years. 3rd down conversion rate with Sproles 2013 44% 2012 44% 2011 57% Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes Is there more that goes into it now? yes I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No

09-16-2014, 10:08 AM	#5
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak No sir. 3rd down conversion rate with out Sproles 58% (league high) and highest in the last 4 years. 3rd down conversion rate with Sproles 2013 44% 2012 44% 2011 57% Is there more that went into those conversion rates in 3 years? Yes Is there more that goes into it now? yes I just applied your logic and no matter how you spin it. No You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective

09-16-2014, 10:57 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by nola_swammi You comparing 2 games to 3 full seasons? how many times did we take a knee or just tried to run the clock out? Those stats confirm how much Sproles was effective Seriously? You do not understand what goes into the stat... 221 third downs went into that 2013 stat, you think a few knees a year effects that %? You are also assuming that Sproles was the person converting all of those 3rd downs which isnt even remotely a reality. Sproles had 124 touches in 2013 the Saints had 97 third down conversions. You are trying to tell me 78% of Sproles touches were third down conversions? Just stop... Know what brother... you have gone off the reservation and I answered what you asked lee which didn't seem to pan out the way you expected. I don't have the energy to hit a moving target today.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-16-2014, 09:25 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by nola_swammi It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take most of thecriticism Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time. Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

09-16-2014, 11:38 AM	#7
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak Sproles had 124 touches in 2013 the Saints had 97 third down conversions. You are trying to tell me 78% of Sproles touches were third down conversions? I don't have the energy to hit a moving target today. You are very comical, yes, to your question, even if he didn't carry the ball simply cause defense coordinators had to make plans or run scenarios for the position he played. If you on the field then you must be accounted for and if he was on the field 124 times then 124 times he had to be accounted for... Now, for trying to persuade you, I see you can't be persuaded, so I am gonna just say lets agree to disagree that Sproles would've made a difference from 0-2 to 1-1 or 2-0

09-16-2014, 12:57 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time. Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense. I used to defend an unpopular New Orleans QB with this same argument.

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