Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury

TheOak · 09-16-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take most of thecriticism

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.

saintfan · 09-16-2014, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time.

Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

I used to defend an unpopular New Orleans QB with this same argument.

lee909 · 09-16-2014, 08:40 AM

Thomas and Cooks can cover what Sproles did. Sproles numbers drop in each season after 2011 and he was giving teams the play by being on the field, same with Ingram. If Sproles was on the field it was pass, Ingram a run. Thomas leaves teams wondering as he can do both.

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 08:58 AM

Sproles stats are consistent and I differ with you on opinion about running and passing situations with sproles (rushes 53; receiving 71) teams was just as clueless with run or pass with Sproles as with Thomas.

Darren Sproles - Philadelphia Eagles - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Pierre Thomas - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

Rmyles · 09-16-2014, 09:02 AM

It's 'Next MAN UP time' guys...no excuses! Isn't this why we kept 4 RB's?
Let's GO!

lee909 · 09-16-2014, 09:44 AM

Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us

nola_swammi · 09-16-2014, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us

ok, you throwing stats at me, what were the stats last year to compare to the two games we played this year? Logically, we know if Sproles was in the line up 3rd down would've been converted higher than what it is now. I am not blaming P Thomas on the miss block that cause the sack but if that was Sproles chances are that linebacker would've been spying Sproles instead of blitzing

lee909 · 09-16-2014, 11:21 AM

Haha
Just tried to find a breakdown of our 3rd down percentage to see who was the main man.y thoughts was it would be a evan split between Graham, Sproles and Moore over the last 2-3 years. The link I found may have been a little dated though

rushing yards amassed by second-year tailback*Deuce McAllister. And special teams ace*Michael Lewis*wasn't at all shy about acknowledging his significance in dictating field position with his production on the runback units and his tackles on kick coverage.

09-16-2014, 09:25 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by nola_swammi It's easy to blame all on defense, but the offense had the ball 1st in overtime, and if saints convert a 3rd down they could've took more time off the clock if not score and put us up by 8. It's not all defense although they should take most of thecriticism Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time. Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense.

09-16-2014, 12:57 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time. Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense. I used to defend an unpopular New Orleans QB with this same argument.

09-16-2014, 08:40 AM	#4
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,877 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Thomas and Cooks can cover what Sproles did. Sproles numbers drop in each season after 2011 and he was giving teams the play by being on the field, same with Ingram. If Sproles was on the field it was pass, Ingram a run. Thomas leaves teams wondering as he can do both.

09-16-2014, 08:58 AM	#5
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Sproles stats are consistent and I differ with you on opinion about running and passing situations with sproles (rushes 53; receiving 71) teams was just as clueless with run or pass with Sproles as with Thomas. Darren Sproles - Philadelphia Eagles - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com Pierre Thomas - New Orleans Saints - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

09-16-2014, 09:02 AM	#6
Rmyles Mr. Supersaint Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 13	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury It's 'Next MAN UP time' guys...no excuses! Isn't this why we kept 4 RB's? Let's GO!
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09-16-2014, 09:31 AM	#2
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by TheOak Yes, it is. 'If' my aunt had balls she could score on this defense also. When you are putting up 29 points per game and #2 in scoring in the league, it is most certainly square on the defense. We should have never been in over time. Read my Thread on offense vs defense and read Rob Ryan's words as he agrees. It is his defense. I am not saying defense is not the blame, I am saying they're not solely the blame. Think about it, if we had Sproles we would've converted on 3rd down better than what we are doing now.

09-16-2014, 09:44 AM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,877 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us TheOak likes this.

09-16-2014, 10:03 AM	#8
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Originally Posted by lee909 Well from what I have seen we are leading the league with a 57% conversion rate on third downs. Sproles wasn't getting the yards last year and was often tackled before he gained yards. Loosing Sproles has not damaged us ok, you throwing stats at me, what were the stats last year to compare to the two games we played this year? Logically, we know if Sproles was in the line up 3rd down would've been converted higher than what it is now. I am not blaming P Thomas on the miss block that cause the sack but if that was Sproles chances are that linebacker would've been spying Sproles instead of blitzing

09-16-2014, 11:21 AM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,877 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Report: Mark Ingram to miss several weeks with hand injury Haha Just tried to find a breakdown of our 3rd down percentage to see who was the main man.y thoughts was it would be a evan split between Graham, Sproles and Moore over the last 2-3 years. The link I found may have been a little dated though rushing yards amassed by second-year tailbackDeuce McAllister. And special teams aceMichael Lewis*wasn't at all shy about acknowledging his significance in dictating field position with his production on the runback units and his tackles on kick coverage.

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