Love the way Payton finished the game

The Dude · 09-21-2014, 06:01 PM

I don't think we can fairly assess Vaccaro and Byrds worth on these past 3 games. Even an all pro backfield will look like **** if the guys up front aren't doing their job. People forget that an offensive player has to go through two lines of defense before they even get into the secondary. Crappy linebacker play and a non existent pass rush does not help their cause much.

ikecomp · 09-21-2014, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I don't think we can fairly assess Vaccaro and Byrds worth on these past 3 games. Even an all pro backfield will look like **** if the guys up front aren't doing their job. People forget that an offensive player has to go through two lines of defense before they even get into the secondary. Crappy linebacker play and a non existent pass rush does not help their cause much.

I agree with most of that. I think our linebacker play in pass coverage has been really bad and exploitable. Our linebackers are good tacklers and play the run well but they are just piss poor in pass coverage. They're slow and have bad instincts.

But one problem at a time. We corrected a lot of the CB issues today (put in dixon and white instead of pRob, shortened the amount of cushion we were giving wide outs, aggressive swats at the ball to break up pass plays instead of just trying to make the tackle after the catch, etc)

I think you'll start to see us replace some of our linebackers with the 3 safety look if that keeps up.

spkb25 · 09-23-2014, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I don't think we can fairly assess Vaccaro and Byrds worth on these past 3 games. Even an all pro backfield will look like **** if the guys up front aren't doing their job. People forget that an offensive player has to go through two lines of defense before they even get into the secondary. Crappy linebacker play and a non existent pass rush does not help their cause much.

Dude, very true about lack of pss rush. Been terrible first 3 games, minus after the drew slam in the Vikings game, all of sudden we were getting after the qb. I am hopeful that will continue

NOLA54 · 09-21-2014, 06:51 PM

We didn't get the game here in Denver but it didn't sound like we played as well as we could have. I'm happy we won. The Cowboys are playing better and it will be another opportunity for us to get better or not. It just seems like we don't have" it" this year.

alleycat_126 · 09-21-2014, 08:47 PM

We as fans are spoiled.... We want the Saints to run the ball with proficency and when they do it and the game is ugly... It's on the offense... Today they did what was expected. Ugly or otherwise they won.... I think I heard 0-2 teams face something like 20.9% chance of making the playoffs... ( I could be wrong) It's got to be better than 0-3 teams... LOL. Ugly, must get better, who doesn't have to. We are not the only playoff team from last season with a 1-2 record. Today just be thankful for a back body drop Hulk Hogan slam that energized us and allowed us to go to dallas with something to play for.....

ClintSaints · 09-21-2014, 10:04 PM

I love the way our defense played, when you CONSIDER that we had to deal with a completely different offense that we had game planned for.

When Matt Cassel went out, I groaned, because he is hot garbage and we knew exactly what to expect from him. Bridgewater is far more unpredictable, and he can run pretty well, and we did a great job containing him and keeping the Crykings out of the endzone.

Our offense, on the other hand, was a fairly large disappointment.....

jeanpierre · 09-21-2014, 11:43 PM

Just glad we didn't have to reveal any more of our playbook than was necessary...

Though, now the league has seen what Josh Hill is capable of we may might not be able to sneak him in a seam again...

|Mitch| · 09-21-2014, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Though, now the league has seen what Josh Hill is capable of we may might not be able to sneak him in a seam again...

Yeah we will; Graham and Hill on the same side, who you going to cover?

Jack Vegas · 09-22-2014, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Just glad we didn't have to reveal any more of our playbook than was necessary...

Though, now the league has seen what Josh Hill is capable of we may might not be able to sneak him in a seam again...

You can't cover everybody though. I don't think the next time Hill lines up the other defense is going to be like "Oh crap somebody needs to get on #89!!" They've got bigger problems to worry about with Cooks and Graham, and even a slowed-down Colston will still kill a LB in coverage.

We just need to cut down on the stupid penalties. Could've easily scored 30 points in this game if not for a couple of drive-killing penalties. Very sloppy today.

dizzle88 · 09-22-2014, 05:10 AM

To say how quickly our offense started, Our O line got man handled after the first 2 drives

There were defenders in the backfield on most running plays and we squandered a 3rd down and manageable when brees couldn't catch lelitos snap

Sloppy performance but a win is a win, our D line needs to get after romo

We can't let him find dez Bryant deep down field

09-21-2014, 06:01 PM	#1
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09-21-2014, 06:25 PM	#2
ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game Originally Posted by The Dude I don't think we can fairly assess Vaccaro and Byrds worth on these past 3 games. Even an all pro backfield will look like **** if the guys up front aren't doing their job. People forget that an offensive player has to go through two lines of defense before they even get into the secondary. Crappy linebacker play and a non existent pass rush does not help their cause much. I agree with most of that. I think our linebacker play in pass coverage has been really bad and exploitable. Our linebackers are good tacklers and play the run well but they are just piss poor in pass coverage. They're slow and have bad instincts. But one problem at a time. We corrected a lot of the CB issues today (put in dixon and white instead of pRob, shortened the amount of cushion we were giving wide outs, aggressive swats at the ball to break up pass plays instead of just trying to make the tackle after the catch, etc) I think you'll start to see us replace some of our linebackers with the 3 safety look if that keeps up.
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09-23-2014, 06:46 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game Originally Posted by The Dude I don't think we can fairly assess Vaccaro and Byrds worth on these past 3 games. Even an all pro backfield will look like **** if the guys up front aren't doing their job. People forget that an offensive player has to go through two lines of defense before they even get into the secondary. Crappy linebacker play and a non existent pass rush does not help their cause much. Dude, very true about lack of pss rush. Been terrible first 3 games, minus after the drew slam in the Vikings game, all of sudden we were getting after the qb. I am hopeful that will continue

09-21-2014, 06:51 PM	#4
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game We didn't get the game here in Denver but it didn't sound like we played as well as we could have. I'm happy we won. The Cowboys are playing better and it will be another opportunity for us to get better or not. It just seems like we don't have" it" this year.

09-21-2014, 08:47 PM	#5
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game We as fans are spoiled.... We want the Saints to run the ball with proficency and when they do it and the game is ugly... It's on the offense... Today they did what was expected. Ugly or otherwise they won.... I think I heard 0-2 teams face something like 20.9% chance of making the playoffs... ( I could be wrong) It's got to be better than 0-3 teams... LOL. Ugly, must get better, who doesn't have to. We are not the only playoff team from last season with a 1-2 record. Today just be thankful for a back body drop Hulk Hogan slam that energized us and allowed us to go to dallas with something to play for.....
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09-21-2014, 10:04 PM	#6
ClintSaints 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Glendale, CA Posts: 603	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game I love the way our defense played, when you CONSIDER that we had to deal with a completely different offense that we had game planned for. When Matt Cassel went out, I groaned, because he is hot garbage and we knew exactly what to expect from him. Bridgewater is far more unpredictable, and he can run pretty well, and we did a great job containing him and keeping the Crykings out of the endzone. Our offense, on the other hand, was a fairly large disappointment.....

09-21-2014, 11:43 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game Just glad we didn't have to reveal any more of our playbook than was necessary... Though, now the league has seen what Josh Hill is capable of we may might not be able to sneak him in a seam again...

09-21-2014, 11:56 PM	#8
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game Originally Posted by jeanpierre Though, now the league has seen what Josh Hill is capable of we may might not be able to sneak him in a seam again... Yeah we will; Graham and Hill on the same side, who you going to cover?

09-22-2014, 12:46 AM	#9
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game Originally Posted by jeanpierre Just glad we didn't have to reveal any more of our playbook than was necessary... Though, now the league has seen what Josh Hill is capable of we may might not be able to sneak him in a seam again... You can't cover everybody though. I don't think the next time Hill lines up the other defense is going to be like "Oh crap somebody needs to get on #89!!" They've got bigger problems to worry about with Cooks and Graham, and even a slowed-down Colston will still kill a LB in coverage. We just need to cut down on the stupid penalties. Could've easily scored 30 points in this game if not for a couple of drive-killing penalties. Very sloppy today.
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09-22-2014, 05:10 AM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Love the way Payton finished the game To say how quickly our offense started, Our O line got man handled after the first 2 drives There were defenders in the backfield on most running plays and we squandered a 3rd down and manageable when brees couldn't catch lelitos snap Sloppy performance but a win is a win, our D line needs to get after romo We can't let him find dez Bryant deep down field

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