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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno I've never been impressed with Bush. He's an OK starter, but certainly nothing special. He's often way out of the picture when a WR catches the ball. We could do worse, and have, but he's just ...

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Old 09-22-2014, 11:35 AM   #1
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I've never been impressed with Bush. He's an OK starter, but certainly nothing special. He's often way out of the picture when a WR catches the ball.

We could do worse, and have, but he's just average in my opinion.
He is O.K., I want him to hit more, I like his pop.It has took a long time for me to warm up to him I hope he stays solid. Average can be good.
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He is O.K., I want him to hit more, I like his pop.It has took a long time for me to warm up to him I hope he stays solid. Average can be good.
Just saw PFF grades, Bush graded our worst DB and 2nd worst defender just ahead of Humber.

Corey White graded out our best CB, Vaccaro our best DB.

Byrd with another negative grade.
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Just saw PFF grades, Bush graded our worst DB and 2nd worst defender just ahead of Humber.

Corey White graded out our best CB, Vaccaro our best DB.

Byrd with another negative grade.
During pre-season I thought they all played well with the exception of Byrd( still recovering and little playing time). Sunseri looked like a man possessed and Warren was everywhere, I have not a clue why they couldn't continue to play lights out especially when the games count.I'm waiting to see Byrd tested to see if he is 100% or not.
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Just saw PFF grades, Bush graded our worst DB and 2nd worst defender just ahead of Humber.

Corey White graded out our best CB, Vaccaro our best DB.

Byrd with another negative grade.
I thought Humber played better than that... I think his 3 tackles were all on the same series. He also had a deflection; apparently getting hit in the helmet counts.

D-line invisible: Josh Hill had more tackle than Hicks, Bunkley and Deaderick...COMBINED
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I thought Humber played better than that... I think his 3 tackles were all on the same series. He also had a deflection; apparently getting hit in the helmet counts.

D-line invisible: Josh Hill had more tackle than Hicks, Bunkley and Deaderick...COMBINED
Humber just isn't very good in pass coverage.

Over the last decade, it seems every one of our linebackers not named Vilma absolutely suck in coverage.

Why does our front office suck so bad at acquiring stud linebackers?
Lofton is good, but we're paying him great.
Hawthorne is adequate, but again he's got a salary that says great.
Humber is a special teamer and situational sub, but probably won't ever be much more than that.
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Why does our front office suck so bad at acquiring stud linebackers?
I have NO IDEA about why, today, this is so true. But I do remember, something I read from back in the relative start of the Gregg Williams era.

I wanted to know more about GW, so I went digging for articles about him and his past defenses, his past career history as a coordinator. This must have been in late '09 to maybe 2010 sometime. I really dug for articles all over the place, every team he'd had a defense for, I read a ton about him.

And this one Washington DC sports writer wrote an article, that was kind of a post-mortem autopsy on WIlliams' time in Washington as he was leaving there. And in it, he kinda said that, one of Gregg Williams' "things" that he did on defense at all his various different teams, was to have ONE really good linebacker, to sort of anchor the position, and then surround that one key player with a bunch of faceless fly-by-night nobodies around him, journeymen linebackers, plugging them in and out. But your anchor guy at LB was gonna carry the day for the group. Which is sort of exactly what happened with Vilma, here.

And one of the downfalls of that Gregg Williams defense in Washington DC, mentioned in that article, was that as time went by, they couldn't replace the BIG playmaker guy (Marcus Washington) as anchor, and they were left with nothing but faceless fly-by-nights.

Now obviously, of course Williams is long gone and we've had two different coordinators in here since then, and no idea what Ryan is thinking....

But the lingering effects of those 2-3 Williams era defensive drafts (P-Rob, Malcolm Jenkins) and the style of building the defensive team over the last 3-4 years, PLUS a virtually useless funky Spagnuolo/Bountygate draft, PLUS never really properly addressing replacing Vilma as a STUD linebacker and true LEADER of the defense (a leader, not "Captain").....I dunno....just a theory, but maybe that is some of what we are seeing with our lame linebacker corps.

I mean right now Lofton is supposed to be "THE GUY" at linebacker, the stud, and everybody else is sort of like, who? Who is this guy? And nobody is standing out. They're all pretty useless.
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I have NO IDEA about why, today, this is so true. But I do remember, something I read from back in the relative start of the Gregg Williams era.

I wanted to know more about GW, so I went digging for articles about him and his past defenses, his past career history as a coordinator. This must have been in late '09 to maybe 2010 sometime. I really dug for articles all over the place, every team he'd had a defense for, I read a ton about him.

And this one Washington DC sports writer wrote an article, that was kind of a post-mortem autopsy on WIlliams' time in Washington as he was leaving there. And in it, he kinda said that, one of Gregg Williams' "things" that he did on defense at all his various different teams, was to have ONE really good linebacker, to sort of anchor the position, and then surround that one key player with a bunch of faceless fly-by-night nobodies around him, journeymen linebackers, plugging them in and out. But your anchor guy at LB was gonna carry the day for the group. Which is sort of exactly what happened with Vilma, here.

And one of the downfalls of that Gregg Williams defense in Washington DC, mentioned in that article, was that as time went by, they couldn't replace the BIG playmaker guy (Marcus Washington) as anchor, and they were left with nothing but faceless fly-by-nights.

Now obviously, of course Williams is long gone and we've had two different coordinators in here since then, and no idea what Ryan is thinking....

But the lingering effects of those 2-3 Williams era defensive drafts (P-Rob, Malcolm Jenkins) and the style of building the defensive team over the last 3-4 years, PLUS a virtually useless funky Spagnuolo/Bountygate draft, PLUS never really properly addressing replacing Vilma as a STUD linebacker and true LEADER of the defense (a leader, not "Captain").....I dunno....just a theory, but maybe that is some of what we are seeing with our lame linebacker corps.

I mean right now Lofton is supposed to be "THE GUY" at linebacker, the stud, and everybody else is sort of like, who? Who is this guy? And nobody is standing out. They're all pretty useless.
Lofton was such a huge acquisition though. He always looked like the best player on ATL's defense. He still makes a ton of tackles. He's just really slow. I think that's the main reason he has issues in coverage. Same for Hawthorne. That was supposed to be a huge pick up.
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