Defense question

Utah_Saint · 10-01-2014, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

No one can cover as long as we are giving the opposing QBs, the pass rush should be the #1 priority on the fix-it list

I agree.

halloween 65 · 10-01-2014, 07:45 PM

3 names stick out the most with me-Johnson, Vitt, McGriff, when Ryan was hired he couldn't bring in his own D staff and was stuck with these 3, they may be (well respected) in the league but come on Ryan is a 3-4 guy that took on a 4-3 team, our lb.'s have been fair at the best and our D-line have been o.k. at times but never been consistantly good( a patch job at the best) with back-up players filling key roles, Byrd is the real thing in the backfield, Lewis to, White at the #3 is fine, really we have a talented backfield. This scheme we're playing is killing us point blank and that goes on the coaches. Ryan is known for his lb.'s , where are they? We do not have the players for a Ryan 3-4 which is exactly what we need. We need to get rid of Johnson, Vitt, and McGriff. Fresh blood is needed in the D coaching staff.

|Mitch| · 10-01-2014, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Fresh blood is needed in the D coaching staff.

x1000!

Budsdrinker · 10-02-2014, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its pretty simple. Last year we had a pass rush, this year we do not.
Without a solid front 7, any secondary will get toasted, and this is proven over and over again and again.

I don't remember playing our CB's so far off last year. This is McGriffs second season so maybe its got his fingerprints all over it.

I see something that reminds me so much of 2012 I wanna throw up. After getting toasted on a long gainer our CB's look confused. They're palms are up wondering who was supposed to cover who. That didn't hapen a whole lot last year.

Another thing that reminds me of 2012 is so many missed tackles and gaping holes to run through.

I think the talent is there to be much better than what we see now, even with our sub-par LB's. They just aren't all on the same page it appears.

Agree and one more thing is the emphasis placed on turnovers where every D player is now trying to strip the ball instead of just tackling. Wrap up the guy first then someone else comes in for the strip. There is only 1 Peanut Tillman and he is probably retired soon with that injury!

TeamCowboys · 10-02-2014, 10:05 AM

Lack of pass rush will do that to any team.

And Robby is cray cray.

xan · 10-02-2014, 10:15 AM

What is this pass rush you all keep talking about from 2013? I don't remember any of it save against the clowns and the tampons, who were about as dysfunctional as they could come.

Mardigras9 · 10-02-2014, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Agree and one more thing is the emphasis placed on turnovers where every D player is now trying to strip the ball instead of just tackling. Wrap up the guy first then someone else comes in for the strip.

Can't agree more here, the trying to punch the ball loose has only allowed the run to continue that much further. Make the tackle and limit the damage as much as possible.

Utah_Saint · 10-02-2014, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by xan

What is this pass rush you all keep talking about from 2013? I don't remember any of it save against the clowns and the tampons, who were about as dysfunctional as they could come.

Saints had one of the better pass rushes in the league last year. PFF tallied the second most pressures from a 3-4 Dline and the 5th most pressures from the LB. The Saints were also the only team in the league with two players with at least a dozen sacks.

10-01-2014, 06:43 PM	#11
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| No one can cover as long as we are giving the opposing QBs, the pass rush should be the #1 priority on the fix-it list I agree.

10-01-2014, 07:45 PM	#12
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Defense question 3 names stick out the most with me-Johnson, Vitt, McGriff, when Ryan was hired he couldn't bring in his own D staff and was stuck with these 3, they may be (well respected) in the league but come on Ryan is a 3-4 guy that took on a 4-3 team, our lb.'s have been fair at the best and our D-line have been o.k. at times but never been consistantly good( a patch job at the best) with back-up players filling key roles, Byrd is the real thing in the backfield, Lewis to, White at the #3 is fine, really we have a talented backfield. This scheme we're playing is killing us point blank and that goes on the coaches. Ryan is known for his lb.'s , where are they? We do not have the players for a Ryan 3-4 which is exactly what we need. We need to get rid of Johnson, Vitt, and McGriff. Fresh blood is needed in the D coaching staff. Danno, \|Mitch\|, Utah_Saint and 2 others like this.

10-01-2014, 08:35 PM	#13
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by halloween 65 Fresh blood is needed in the D coaching staff. x1000!

10-02-2014, 10:01 AM	#14
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by Danno Its pretty simple. Last year we had a pass rush, this year we do not. Without a solid front 7, any secondary will get toasted, and this is proven over and over again and again. I don't remember playing our CB's so far off last year. This is McGriffs second season so maybe its got his fingerprints all over it. I see something that reminds me so much of 2012 I wanna throw up. After getting toasted on a long gainer our CB's look confused. They're palms are up wondering who was supposed to cover who. That didn't hapen a whole lot last year. Another thing that reminds me of 2012 is so many missed tackles and gaping holes to run through. I think the talent is there to be much better than what we see now, even with our sub-par LB's. They just aren't all on the same page it appears. Agree and one more thing is the emphasis placed on turnovers where every D player is now trying to strip the ball instead of just tackling. Wrap up the guy first then someone else comes in for the strip. There is only 1 Peanut Tillman and he is probably retired soon with that injury! brees84 likes this.

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Defense question What is this pass rush you all keep talking about from 2013? I don't remember any of it save against the clowns and the tampons, who were about as dysfunctional as they could come.

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Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Agree and one more thing is the emphasis placed on turnovers where every D player is now trying to strip the ball instead of just tackling. Wrap up the guy first then someone else comes in for the strip. Can't agree more here, the trying to punch the ball loose has only allowed the run to continue that much further. Make the tackle and limit the damage as much as possible.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by xan What is this pass rush you all keep talking about from 2013? I don't remember any of it save against the clowns and the tampons, who were about as dysfunctional as they could come. Saints had one of the better pass rushes in the league last year. PFF tallied the second most pressures from a 3-4 Dline and the 5th most pressures from the LB. The Saints were also the only team in the league with two players with at least a dozen sacks.

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