2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead

papz · 10-05-2014, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by pinch

I don't think it's a weak arm. Drew has been throwing behind the receivers for a year or two now. Even when we're on the 5-10 yard line and he's throwing into the end zone he routinely throws it well behind the receivers.

He's become Captain Checkdown. I think he's arm has become weaker the past few years but with his accuracy, he should be able to get away with it and he hasn't. Let's use Peyton for example. His arm strength is not there anymore either but he makes it up with outstanding ball placement and timing. Arm strength shouldn't be an excuse for guys like Peyton and Drew. Drew needs to get his mind in the right place and be smart with the football. Get back to what makes him an elite quarterback. Precision, timing, and making smart decisions.

Budsdrinker · 10-06-2014, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Brees does need some coaching from Payton, but one thing Payton can't fix is that weak ass arm he is dealing with. Have we seen any long throws this year? I dont mean long as in YAC I mean bombs that actually work.

I didn't want to believe the people saying Brees has lost it. I even defended him before the season, but now it's hard to deny that Brees just can't throw the deep ball anymore.

Brees doesn't have time to throw it long. OL is protecting very well.

dizzle88 · 10-05-2014, 05:24 PM

Maybe the direct product of throwing nearly 600 times a season? That could wear anyone's arm.

People said PT will start to decline now he's over 30 years old, but because PT has never had to carry the load he's never looked better

Rell&Gold · 10-05-2014, 05:25 PM

23 yarder over 3 defenders to Jimmy Graham 30 yarder to josh hill, some of you fail to realize our WR CORPS is Poop our #1 reciever was our rb where is Brandon cooks Marques Kenny stills Drew is pressing cause he has to our WR's aren't coming to the ball they're just waiting on it the effort is not there

blackangold · 10-05-2014, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

23 yarder over 3 defenders to Jimmy Graham 30 yarder to josh hill, some of you fail to realize our WR CORPS is Poop our #1 reciever was our rb where is Brandon cooks Marques Kenny stills Drew is pressing cause he has to our WR's aren't coming to the ball they're just waiting on it the effort is not there

No your looking at YAC...

A screen that goes for 45 yds has nothing to do with Brees being able to throw the deep ball. Hill had a ton of YAC and Jimmy got about 7 yds of YAC.....

This is hands down the best WR group Brees has had in his career...

Jack Vegas · 10-05-2014, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

No your looking at YAC...

A screen that goes for 45 yds has nothing to do with Brees being able to throw the deep ball. Hill had a ton of YAC and Jimmy got about 7 yds of YAC.....

This is hands down the best WR group Brees has had in his career...

He did hit Hill in stride on a nice deep pass and hit Colston in the hands in the end zone. Drew is clearly not accurate on the deep ball as he was in say 2009, but he's gone through stretches like this before where he couldn't hit it. Just some little thing is off.

Crusader · 10-06-2014, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

He did hit Hill in stride on a nice deep pass and hit Colston in the hands in the end zone. Drew is clearly not accurate on the deep ball as he was in say 2009, but he's gone through stretches like this before where he couldn't hit it. Just some little thing is off.

The big problem with Brees deep ball is protection. He has never had an arm like Favre, Elway, Cutler or Stafford where he can just whip it 60 yards in the air from his back foot. Our most succesful deep plays since SP and Brees came to the Saints have been the play-action passes. For a PA to be successful you need two things.

1. A running game that the opposing defence actually respects.

2. An O-line that can execute the PA blocking.

When a defence really respects your running game you will se safties starting to creep closer to the LOS to be in better position against the run. You will see CBs glancing to the backfield. LBs will shoot downhill in an instance if they smell a run. None of this is happening against us. Our opponents are not scared of any of our RBs so they are sitting back pretty blanketing our recievers and creating pressure with 4 men.

The second part takes a lot of skill, first you need to get of the LOS in a real agressive manner to really make it look like a run, only to settle, get your feet underneath you and create a solid pocket for the QB to step up in. This can be especially tough against a good DT who can easily switch from runstuffing mode to a bullrush and thus collapsing said pocket. forcing the QB to roll out. Brees has not near the same armstrength when moving as he has when he can set up and use his whole body to throw.

There you have it. Not so much about Brees as about everything around him.

captainshawn · 10-05-2014, 05:51 PM

He's still hurting from that oblique pull in camp. That is all.

MatthewT · 10-06-2014, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by captainshawn

He's still hurting from that oblique pull in camp. That is all.

That makes sense to me. There was an article on nola.com, Brees mentioned that the one thing that comes with age is the recovery process isn't what it once was. Sounds like to me he was saying, without saying it, that he isn't right from that injury...

Barry from MS · 10-05-2014, 06:20 PM

Who'd of thought @ DET would be so huge for this team? A win on the road against an offensive who is also struggling to score. Detroit did get beat in their house against Buffalo, so they are obviously beatable at home.

Win on the road @ DET, get back to .500, and shut everyone up about only able to win at home. Sounds good.

10-05-2014, 07:27 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,797	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by pinch I don't think it's a weak arm. Drew has been throwing behind the receivers for a year or two now. Even when we're on the 5-10 yard line and he's throwing into the end zone he routinely throws it well behind the receivers. He's become Captain Checkdown. I think he's arm has become weaker the past few years but with his accuracy, he should be able to get away with it and he hasn't. Let's use Peyton for example. His arm strength is not there anymore either but he makes it up with outstanding ball placement and timing. Arm strength shouldn't be an excuse for guys like Peyton and Drew. Drew needs to get his mind in the right place and be smart with the football. Get back to what makes him an elite quarterback. Precision, timing, and making smart decisions. MatthewT likes this.
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10-06-2014, 09:56 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by blackangold Brees does need some coaching from Payton, but one thing Payton can't fix is that weak ass arm he is dealing with. Have we seen any long throws this year? I dont mean long as in YAC I mean bombs that actually work. I didn't want to believe the people saying Brees has lost it. I even defended him before the season, but now it's hard to deny that Brees just can't throw the deep ball anymore. Brees doesn't have time to throw it long. OL is protecting very well.

10-05-2014, 05:24 PM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,546	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Maybe the direct product of throwing nearly 600 times a season? That could wear anyone's arm. People said PT will start to decline now he's over 30 years old, but because PT has never had to carry the load he's never looked better thebdj and MarchingOn like this.

10-05-2014, 05:25 PM	#4
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead 23 yarder over 3 defenders to Jimmy Graham 30 yarder to josh hill, some of you fail to realize our WR CORPS is Poop our #1 reciever was our rb where is Brandon cooks Marques Kenny stills Drew is pressing cause he has to our WR's aren't coming to the ball they're just waiting on it the effort is not there Budsdrinker likes this.

10-05-2014, 05:49 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by Rell&Gold 23 yarder over 3 defenders to Jimmy Graham 30 yarder to josh hill, some of you fail to realize our WR CORPS is Poop our #1 reciever was our rb where is Brandon cooks Marques Kenny stills Drew is pressing cause he has to our WR's aren't coming to the ball they're just waiting on it the effort is not there No your looking at YAC... A screen that goes for 45 yds has nothing to do with Brees being able to throw the deep ball. Hill had a ton of YAC and Jimmy got about 7 yds of YAC..... This is hands down the best WR group Brees has had in his career... MarchingOn likes this.

10-05-2014, 06:12 PM	#6
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by blackangold No your looking at YAC... A screen that goes for 45 yds has nothing to do with Brees being able to throw the deep ball. Hill had a ton of YAC and Jimmy got about 7 yds of YAC..... This is hands down the best WR group Brees has had in his career... He did hit Hill in stride on a nice deep pass and hit Colston in the hands in the end zone. Drew is clearly not accurate on the deep ball as he was in say 2009, but he's gone through stretches like this before where he couldn't hit it. Just some little thing is off.
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10-06-2014, 02:29 AM	#7
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,050	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by Jack Vegas He did hit Hill in stride on a nice deep pass and hit Colston in the hands in the end zone. Drew is clearly not accurate on the deep ball as he was in say 2009, but he's gone through stretches like this before where he couldn't hit it. Just some little thing is off. The big problem with Brees deep ball is protection. He has never had an arm like Favre, Elway, Cutler or Stafford where he can just whip it 60 yards in the air from his back foot. Our most succesful deep plays since SP and Brees came to the Saints have been the play-action passes. For a PA to be successful you need two things. 1. A running game that the opposing defence actually respects. 2. An O-line that can execute the PA blocking. When a defence really respects your running game you will se safties starting to creep closer to the LOS to be in better position against the run. You will see CBs glancing to the backfield. LBs will shoot downhill in an instance if they smell a run. None of this is happening against us. Our opponents are not scared of any of our RBs so they are sitting back pretty blanketing our recievers and creating pressure with 4 men. The second part takes a lot of skill, first you need to get of the LOS in a real agressive manner to really make it look like a run, only to settle, get your feet underneath you and create a solid pocket for the QB to step up in. This can be especially tough against a good DT who can easily switch from runstuffing mode to a bullrush and thus collapsing said pocket. forcing the QB to roll out. Brees has not near the same armstrength when moving as he has when he can set up and use his whole body to throw. There you have it. Not so much about Brees as about everything around him. Budsdrinker and Rugby Saint II like this.
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10-05-2014, 05:51 PM	#8
captainshawn Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lake Hermitage, La. Posts: 289	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead He's still hurting from that oblique pull in camp. That is all.

10-06-2014, 07:12 AM	#9
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by captainshawn He's still hurting from that oblique pull in camp. That is all. That makes sense to me. There was an article on nola.com, Brees mentioned that the one thing that comes with age is the recovery process isn't what it once was. Sounds like to me he was saying, without saying it, that he isn't right from that injury...

10-05-2014, 06:20 PM	#10
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Who'd of thought @ DET would be so huge for this team? A win on the road against an offensive who is also struggling to score. Detroit did get beat in their house against Buffalo, so they are obviously beatable at home. Win on the road @ DET, get back to .500, and shut everyone up about only able to win at home. Sounds good. SloMotion likes this.

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