2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead

Crusader · 10-06-2014, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

He did hit Hill in stride on a nice deep pass and hit Colston in the hands in the end zone. Drew is clearly not accurate on the deep ball as he was in say 2009, but he's gone through stretches like this before where he couldn't hit it. Just some little thing is off.

The big problem with Brees deep ball is protection. He has never had an arm like Favre, Elway, Cutler or Stafford where he can just whip it 60 yards in the air from his back foot. Our most succesful deep plays since SP and Brees came to the Saints have been the play-action passes. For a PA to be successful you need two things.

1. A running game that the opposing defence actually respects.

2. An O-line that can execute the PA blocking.

When a defence really respects your running game you will se safties starting to creep closer to the LOS to be in better position against the run. You will see CBs glancing to the backfield. LBs will shoot downhill in an instance if they smell a run. None of this is happening against us. Our opponents are not scared of any of our RBs so they are sitting back pretty blanketing our recievers and creating pressure with 4 men.

The second part takes a lot of skill, first you need to get of the LOS in a real agressive manner to really make it look like a run, only to settle, get your feet underneath you and create a solid pocket for the QB to step up in. This can be especially tough against a good DT who can easily switch from runstuffing mode to a bullrush and thus collapsing said pocket. forcing the QB to roll out. Brees has not near the same armstrength when moving as he has when he can set up and use his whole body to throw.

There you have it. Not so much about Brees as about everything around him.

dizzle88 · 10-06-2014, 04:25 AM

Brees has not always under thrown the deep ball, watch and see

If he did this for meachem yesterday ( put it in stride) meachem has a walk in TD, however meachem had to slow down for it which let the DB make a play

I'm sorry but I think his arm strength isn't what it used to be, surely if the guy could put it in stride he would, why would he purposely under throw it and allow the DB to make a play like the 3 times yesterday.

Devery Henderson TD - September 18 VS Chicago Bears - YouTube

WV Saint fan · 10-06-2014, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Foot Stomper

The boneheaded INT"s and Pick6s are killing this team. I heard Payton ripped him a new one today and he began to throw the ball away after that. True?

Yes, if you look on coacheshotseat.com/NFL/ Mike Smith has the number 5 seat, Payton the number 6 seat, Jason Garrett number 7.

VegasSaint9 · 10-06-2014, 07:09 AM

Thats just stupid for Payton to be in the "hotseat." What 4/4 seasons with 10+ wins he's coached in the last 5 years is bad enough to be put on the hot seat? I'll admit he's arrogant and is slowly changing his ways, but hot seat? Really...?

saintsfan1976 · 10-06-2014, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Who'd of thought @ DET would be so huge for this team? A win on the road against an offensive who is also struggling to score. Detroit did get beat in their house against Buffalo, so they are obviously beatable at home.

Win on the road @ DET, get back to .500, and shut everyone up about only able to win at home. Sounds good.

Buffalo has a pass rush.

Crusader · 10-06-2014, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Brees has not always under thrown the deep ball, watch and see

If he did this for meachem yesterday ( put it in stride) meachem has a walk in TD, however meachem had to slow down for it which let the DB make a play

I'm sorry but I think his arm strength isn't what it used to be, surely if the guy could put it in stride he would, why would he purposely under throw it and allow the DB to make a play like the 3 times yesterday.

Devery Henderson TD - September 18 VS Chicago Bears - YouTube

The difference in that clip and the deep throws Brees has been attempting this year are, as I have previously pointed out, protection. in this clip you can see how he has time to set up and launch the ball.

SloMotion · 10-06-2014, 07:41 AM

How big of an influence do you guys think losing his QB coach (Lombardi) has had on Drew? When Detroit signed Lombardi as an OC at first & touted his resume for being Drew's QB coach, I thought, "Meh, Brees is self-coaching, who couldn't hold that job?" ... but in retrospect, I'm beginning to wonder if there wasn't some sort of bond there that may have had an impact on Drew ... you know, sorta' like losing your blankee when you were a kid,

MatthewT · 10-06-2014, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by captainshawn

He's still hurting from that oblique pull in camp. That is all.

That makes sense to me. There was an article on nola.com, Brees mentioned that the one thing that comes with age is the recovery process isn't what it once was. Sounds like to me he was saying, without saying it, that he isn't right from that injury...

SmashMouth · 10-06-2014, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

How big of an influence do you guys think losing his QB coach (Lombardi) has had on Drew? When Detroit signed Lombardi as an OC at first & touted his resume for being Drew's QB coach, I thought, "Meh, Brees is self-coaching, who couldn't hold that job?" ... but in retrospect, I'm beginning to wonder if there wasn't some sort of bond there that may have had an impact on Drew ... you know, sorta' like losing your blankee when you were a kid,

Maybe .... I thought SP filled that role though for Brees.

SaintsBro · 10-06-2014, 10:17 AM

No doubt that Lombardi was a big part of the QB unit behind the scenes. I mean Brees was always good in NO, but just look at how the numbers skyrocketed when Carmichael (who Brees knew from San Diego) shifted into offensive coordinator and Lombardi was slotted into QB's coach, under Payton. The whole thing just went into the stratosphere.

10-06-2014, 03:29 AM	#31
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by Jack Vegas He did hit Hill in stride on a nice deep pass and hit Colston in the hands in the end zone. Drew is clearly not accurate on the deep ball as he was in say 2009, but he's gone through stretches like this before where he couldn't hit it. Just some little thing is off. The big problem with Brees deep ball is protection. He has never had an arm like Favre, Elway, Cutler or Stafford where he can just whip it 60 yards in the air from his back foot. Our most succesful deep plays since SP and Brees came to the Saints have been the play-action passes. For a PA to be successful you need two things. 1. A running game that the opposing defence actually respects. 2. An O-line that can execute the PA blocking. When a defence really respects your running game you will se safties starting to creep closer to the LOS to be in better position against the run. You will see CBs glancing to the backfield. LBs will shoot downhill in an instance if they smell a run. None of this is happening against us. Our opponents are not scared of any of our RBs so they are sitting back pretty blanketing our recievers and creating pressure with 4 men. The second part takes a lot of skill, first you need to get of the LOS in a real agressive manner to really make it look like a run, only to settle, get your feet underneath you and create a solid pocket for the QB to step up in. This can be especially tough against a good DT who can easily switch from runstuffing mode to a bullrush and thus collapsing said pocket. forcing the QB to roll out. Brees has not near the same armstrength when moving as he has when he can set up and use his whole body to throw. There you have it. Not so much about Brees as about everything around him. Budsdrinker and Rugby Saint II like this.
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10-06-2014, 04:26 AM	#33
WV Saint fan Rookie Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 1	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by Foot Stomper The boneheaded INT"s and Pick6s are killing this team. I heard Payton ripped him a new one today and he began to throw the ball away after that. True? Yes, if you look on coacheshotseat.com/NFL/ Mike Smith has the number 5 seat, Payton the number 6 seat, Jason Garrett number 7.

10-06-2014, 07:09 AM	#34
VegasSaint9 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 360	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Thats just stupid for Payton to be in the "hotseat." What 4/4 seasons with 10+ wins he's coached in the last 5 years is bad enough to be put on the hot seat? I'll admit he's arrogant and is slowly changing his ways, but hot seat? Really...?

10-06-2014, 07:35 AM	#35
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by Barry from MS Who'd of thought @ DET would be so huge for this team? A win on the road against an offensive who is also struggling to score. Detroit did get beat in their house against Buffalo, so they are obviously beatable at home. Win on the road @ DET, get back to .500, and shut everyone up about only able to win at home. Sounds good. Buffalo has a pass rush. SloMotion likes this.

10-06-2014, 07:37 AM	#36
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by dizzle88 Brees has not always under thrown the deep ball, watch and see If he did this for meachem yesterday ( put it in stride) meachem has a walk in TD, however meachem had to slow down for it which let the DB make a play I'm sorry but I think his arm strength isn't what it used to be, surely if the guy could put it in stride he would, why would he purposely under throw it and allow the DB to make a play like the 3 times yesterday. Devery Henderson TD - September 18 VS Chicago Bears - YouTube The difference in that clip and the deep throws Brees has been attempting this year are, as I have previously pointed out, protection. in this clip you can see how he has time to set up and launch the ball. Danno, Budsdrinker and brees84 like this.

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10-06-2014, 07:41 AM	#37
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead How big of an influence do you guys think losing his QB coach (Lombardi) has had on Drew? When Detroit signed Lombardi as an OC at first & touted his resume for being Drew's QB coach, I thought, "Meh, Brees is self-coaching, who couldn't hold that job?" ... but in retrospect, I'm beginning to wonder if there wasn't some sort of bond there that may have had an impact on Drew ... you know, sorta' like losing your blankee when you were a kid, hagan714 likes this.

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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by captainshawn He's still hurting from that oblique pull in camp. That is all. That makes sense to me. There was an article on nola.com, Brees mentioned that the one thing that comes with age is the recovery process isn't what it once was. Sounds like to me he was saying, without saying it, that he isn't right from that injury...

10-06-2014, 09:26 AM	#39
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead Originally Posted by SloMotion How big of an influence do you guys think losing his QB coach (Lombardi) has had on Drew? When Detroit signed Lombardi as an OC at first & touted his resume for being Drew's QB coach, I thought, "Meh, Brees is self-coaching, who couldn't hold that job?" ... but in retrospect, I'm beginning to wonder if there wasn't some sort of bond there that may have had an impact on Drew ... you know, sorta' like losing your blankee when you were a kid, Maybe .... I thought SP filled that role though for Brees.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2-3 going into the bye week; 1 game back of division lead No doubt that Lombardi was a big part of the QB unit behind the scenes. I mean Brees was always good in NO, but just look at how the numbers skyrocketed when Carmichael (who Brees knew from San Diego) shifted into offensive coordinator and Lombardi was slotted into QB's coach, under Payton. The whole thing just went into the stratosphere.

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