Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia

Barry from MS · 10-06-2014, 07:29 PM

Tied for the league lead with 6 INTs, two of those Pick 6's. Or throwing those picks instead of taking a sack or throwing the ball away, something you teach young QBs to do.

These are some of the things where Brees and I disagree.

halloween 65 · 10-06-2014, 07:43 PM

I atually do think he is in decline. I watched Brady last night and his zip on the ball was good, Brees, I haven't seen it, I'm just being honest!! I love the guy but there will be a time we have to move on and I think it will be within the next 2 years.

SaintLeonard · 10-06-2014, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I atually do think he is in decline. I watched Brady last night and his zip on the ball was good, Brees, I haven't seen it, I'm just being honest!! I love the guy but there will be a time we have to move on and I think it will be within the next 2 years.

People were literally talking about how Brady didn't have zip in his passes after NE got blown out by the Chiefs.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you won't see zip like that every game. But that doesn't mean it isn't still there.

saintfan · 10-06-2014, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I atually do think he is in decline. I watched Brady last night and his zip on the ball was good, Brees, I haven't seen it, I'm just being honest!! I love the guy but there will be a time we have to move on and I think it will be within the next 2 years.

Brees had zip? When? In San Diego? He never had any zip as a Saints that I can remember.

WHODATINCA · 10-06-2014, 09:04 PM

By the numbers --

Drew Brees is #3 among all NFL QBs in YPG

He is #11 among all NFL QBs in +20 yd passes ( And I have to wonder if the go routes are not being called because our wideouts and JG can't seem to catch even short passes and because our O-line can't give the receivers enough time to get 20 yards down town )

And, Drew Brees is consistently in the top 10 QBs in fantasy football ( you know those folks who track the play of individual players because their income depends on it ).

And, all this in our worst year, so far, in the Payton-Brees era.

So, tell me again how you think Drew Brees is in decline?

Barry from MS · 10-06-2014, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

So, tell me again how you think Drew Brees is in decline?

Throwing picks. Instead of taking sacks or throwing the ball away, he's throwing head-scratching picks. I could care less about his arm strength declining since that doesn't typically lose you ball-games from the QB position.

His decision making is in decline, at least with our 5 game sample-size of 2014. He needs to clean that crap up in a hurry, or folks are gonna keep saying he's in decline.

WHODATINCA · 10-06-2014, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Throwing picks. Instead of taking sacks or throwing the ball away, he's throwing head-scratching picks. I could care less about his arm strength declining since that doesn't typically lose you ball-games from the QB position.

His decision making is in decline, at least with our 5 game sample-size of 2014. He needs to clean that crap up in a hurry, or folks are gonna keep saying he's in decline.

Yeah, well, let us know the next time you have an angry 350 pound Godzilla imitator about to stomp your body into a mud hole in the middle of the field. We'll offer some constructive criticism on your judgement too, bro.

Barry from MS · 10-06-2014, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Yeah, well, let us know the next time you have an angry 350 pound Godzilla imitator about to stomp your body into a mud hole in the middle of the field. We'll offer some constructive criticism on your judgement too, bro.

Whoaaa...hang on. No need for that.

I ain't paid millions to do the job of an NFL QB. He's been playing against 350 lb d-lineman who have been trying to rip his head off since 2001. He's handled much worse defenses than the 2014 TB defense. QB's make some dumb throws under pressure, even Saint Manning and Saint Brady. It's just that I haven't seen this kind of poor decision-making very often from Brees, but it seems to be happening way too frequently in the first 5 games this year. You simply can't overlook the fact he leads the NFL in INTs and has thrown two Pick 6's in 5 games. These things helps lose games, and Brees' starting record of 2-3 is what I'd call decline. That's the numbers.

And I feel that I have all the freedom in the world to criticize our team, even Brees. I have no clue what it feels like in his position, obviously, but I can watch an NFL game and give my opinion.

Right or wrong, it is my opinion.

rezburna · 10-06-2014, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Whoaaa...hang on. No need for that.

I ain't paid millions to do the job of an NFL QB. He's been playing against 350 lb d-lineman who have been trying to rip his head off since 2001. He's handled much worse defenses than the 2014 TB defense. QB's make some dumb throws under pressure, even Saint Manning and Saint Brady. It's just that I haven't seen this kind of poor decision-making very often from Brees, but it seems to be happening way too frequently in the first 5 games this year. You simply can't overlook the fact he leads the NFL in INTs and has thrown two Pick 6's in 5 games. These things helps lose games, and Brees' starting record of 2-3 is what I'd call decline. That's the numbers.

And I feel that I have all the freedom in the world to criticize our team, even Brees. I have no clue what it feels like in his position, obviously, but I can watch an NFL game and give my opinion.

Right or wrong, it is my opinion.

I agree with you. It's sacrilegious to criticize Brees though. You know that. But his decision making is definitely been poor. He usually throws the bulk of his picks on the road. Now he's throwing them at home too. You never see him throw picks on the road, let alone 3. As it stands now, he's got 3 at home and 3 on the road. He's thrown one in every game except Minnesota. His decisions aren't as crisp. And I don't see offensive line being the reason why.

WHODATINCA · 10-06-2014, 10:21 PM

Your statistics are misleading. He "leads the league" among a substantial field of QBs, seven in all, ( approximately one-third of all NFL QBs ) who have thrown 6 INTs this season. This field includes such notables as Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler. So, while I agree that INTs and pick 6s are something that needs to be corrected -- by THIS TEAM -- it is NOT evidence of this quarterback's decline.

If you had 10 seconds to throw passes to wide open receivers, I'm sure even you, could look good behind that O-line. This is a team sport, Barry. The O-line makes stars or clowns of QBs and RBs alike.

10-06-2014, 07:43 PM	#12
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia I atually do think he is in decline. I watched Brady last night and his zip on the ball was good, Brees, I haven't seen it, I'm just being honest!! I love the guy but there will be a time we have to move on and I think it will be within the next 2 years. jeanpierre likes this.

10-06-2014, 08:18 PM	#13
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by halloween 65 I atually do think he is in decline. I watched Brady last night and his zip on the ball was good, Brees, I haven't seen it, I'm just being honest!! I love the guy but there will be a time we have to move on and I think it will be within the next 2 years. People were literally talking about how Brady didn't have zip in his passes after NE got blown out by the Chiefs. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you won't see zip like that every game. But that doesn't mean it isn't still there.

10-06-2014, 08:24 PM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by halloween 65 I atually do think he is in decline. I watched Brady last night and his zip on the ball was good, Brees, I haven't seen it, I'm just being honest!! I love the guy but there will be a time we have to move on and I think it will be within the next 2 years. Brees had zip? When? In San Diego? He never had any zip as a Saints that I can remember.

10-06-2014, 09:04 PM	#15
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia By the numbers -- Drew Brees is #3 among all NFL QBs in YPG He is #11 among all NFL QBs in +20 yd passes ( And I have to wonder if the go routes are not being called because our wideouts and JG can't seem to catch even short passes and because our O-line can't give the receivers enough time to get 20 yards down town ) And, Drew Brees is consistently in the top 10 QBs in fantasy football ( you know those folks who track the play of individual players because their income depends on it ). And, all this in our worst year, so far, in the Payton-Brees era. So, tell me again how you think Drew Brees is in decline? Danno likes this.
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10-06-2014, 09:14 PM	#16
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by WHODATINCA So, tell me again how you think Drew Brees is in decline? Throwing picks. Instead of taking sacks or throwing the ball away, he's throwing head-scratching picks. I could care less about his arm strength declining since that doesn't typically lose you ball-games from the QB position. His decision making is in decline, at least with our 5 game sample-size of 2014. He needs to clean that crap up in a hurry, or folks are gonna keep saying he's in decline.

10-06-2014, 07:29 PM	#11
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Tied for the league lead with 6 INTs, two of those Pick 6's. Or throwing those picks instead of taking a sack or throwing the ball away, something you teach young QBs to do. These are some of the things where Brees and I disagree. SaintFanInATLHELL, jeanpierre, Saintaintso and 1 others like this.

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10-06-2014, 09:25 PM	#17
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by Barry from MS Throwing picks. Instead of taking sacks or throwing the ball away, he's throwing head-scratching picks. I could care less about his arm strength declining since that doesn't typically lose you ball-games from the QB position. His decision making is in decline, at least with our 5 game sample-size of 2014. He needs to clean that crap up in a hurry, or folks are gonna keep saying he's in decline. Yeah, well, let us know the next time you have an angry 350 pound Godzilla imitator about to stomp your body into a mud hole in the middle of the field. We'll offer some constructive criticism on your judgement too, bro.

10-06-2014, 09:49 PM	#18
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Yeah, well, let us know the next time you have an angry 350 pound Godzilla imitator about to stomp your body into a mud hole in the middle of the field. We'll offer some constructive criticism on your judgement too, bro. Whoaaa...hang on. No need for that. I ain't paid millions to do the job of an NFL QB. He's been playing against 350 lb d-lineman who have been trying to rip his head off since 2001. He's handled much worse defenses than the 2014 TB defense. QB's make some dumb throws under pressure, even Saint Manning and Saint Brady. It's just that I haven't seen this kind of poor decision-making very often from Brees, but it seems to be happening way too frequently in the first 5 games this year. You simply can't overlook the fact he leads the NFL in INTs and has thrown two Pick 6's in 5 games. These things helps lose games, and Brees' starting record of 2-3 is what I'd call decline. That's the numbers. And I feel that I have all the freedom in the world to criticize our team, even Brees. I have no clue what it feels like in his position, obviously, but I can watch an NFL game and give my opinion. Right or wrong, it is my opinion.
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10-06-2014, 10:16 PM	#19
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,109	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Originally Posted by Barry from MS Whoaaa...hang on. No need for that. I ain't paid millions to do the job of an NFL QB. He's been playing against 350 lb d-lineman who have been trying to rip his head off since 2001. He's handled much worse defenses than the 2014 TB defense. QB's make some dumb throws under pressure, even Saint Manning and Saint Brady. It's just that I haven't seen this kind of poor decision-making very often from Brees, but it seems to be happening way too frequently in the first 5 games this year. You simply can't overlook the fact he leads the NFL in INTs and has thrown two Pick 6's in 5 games. These things helps lose games, and Brees' starting record of 2-3 is what I'd call decline. That's the numbers. And I feel that I have all the freedom in the world to criticize our team, even Brees. I have no clue what it feels like in his position, obviously, but I can watch an NFL game and give my opinion. Right or wrong, it is my opinion. I agree with you. It's sacrilegious to criticize Brees though. You know that. But his decision making is definitely been poor. He usually throws the bulk of his picks on the road. Now he's throwing them at home too. You never see him throw picks on the road, let alone 3. As it stands now, he's got 3 at home and 3 on the road. He's thrown one in every game except Minnesota. His decisions aren't as crisp. And I don't see offensive line being the reason why.

10-06-2014, 10:21 PM	#20
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Drew Brees Is Not in Decline — You Just Have Brees Nostalgia Your statistics are misleading. He "leads the league" among a substantial field of QBs, seven in all, ( approximately one-third of all NFL QBs ) who have thrown 6 INTs this season. This field includes such notables as Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler. So, while I agree that INTs and pick 6s are something that needs to be corrected -- by THIS TEAM -- it is NOT evidence of this quarterback's decline. If you had 10 seconds to throw passes to wide open receivers, I'm sure even you, could look good behind that O-line. This is a team sport, Barry. The O-line makes stars or clowns of QBs and RBs alike.
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