WhoDat

don\'t distract him 08, I\'m trying to get a one word answer here... that\'s been next to impossible so far.

saintfan

I\'ll entertain you WhoDat.

Aaron Brooks has good game. He know\'s how to win. Thats what he\'s done. The man has a cannon. Surely you\'ve seen it on display.

FYI, if you can use other QB\'s to drag Brooks in the dirt, I can surely use them to pull him back up. Turnabout is fair play my boy, and didn\'t they teach you that in grade school?

...and why not respond to the response to your rediculous post wherein you indicate that you think Michael Vick is among the elite? Reap what you sew, or did you skip that class too?

C'mon Man...

WhoDat

In the honor of good sportsmanship, I\'ll answer your question Saintfan... the first time you asked it.

Michael Vick was selected to the Pro Bowl this year. One of four quarterbacks in the league (excluding alternates). I\'d say that makes him elite. He also lead all quarterbacks in rushing BY FAR. He won three games that I can think of by himslef in a final drive in which he scored by himself. Oh, and he quarterbacked his team to the playoffs, and won. Is that enough or do you need more Saintfan?


Now, let\'s look at your answer. You said that Aaron Brooks has good \"game\". And by that you said he knows how to win. So he wins when it counts? Like in the last month of a season? Oh, he plays well when he\'s in a game that matters, like Carolina or Cincinnati? Oh, he plays well in the final minutes of a game, like 0-11 in his last 11 against the BENGALS? Well, he\'s 16-16 as a starter over the last two years... so wait, he doesn\'t know how to win any more than he knows how to lose... ah, but he\'s led us to the playoffs in the two seasons he\'s been a starter... nope again.

To say that Aaron Brooks wins when it matters is ignorant, stupid, or insane. Montana, Elway, Marino - those guys knew how to win when it counted. Hell, I\'d take Vick in the fourth quarter before I\'d take Brooks. Garcia is better in the fourth quarter. Frankly, so is Favre, despite this year\'s playoff game. Give me something else, b/c this he\'s got game argument is a load of crap.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

saintz08

Alright Saintsfan here are your offensive lineman stats .

Now what it cannot tell you is how many times Brooks took too long in the pocket , how many times he should have audibled out of the formation at the front line and did not , how many times he backed into a defensive player and got sacked ( Kyle Turleys favorite ) , how many times he took a coverage sack with a wide open receiver or how many times he could not make the throw sack .

I wish someone would find me a stat on how many times the ball fell out of Brooks hand as he was going to throw it .

SORTABLE TEAM OFFENSIVE LINE STATS - Season Total
Rank Team Rush Yds Avg Left LYd LAv Middle MYd MAv Right RYd RAv Sck
1. Houston Texans 424 1347 3.2 66 220 3.3 139 410 2.9 68 211 3.1 76
2. Buffalo Bills 388 1596 4.1 92 377 4.1 109 417 3.8 44 186 4.2 54
Dallas Cowboys 423 1754 4.1 87 347 4.0 114 297 2.6 103 515 5.0 54
4. Minnesota Vikings 473 2507 5.3 70 421 6.0 172 758 4.4 69 473 6.9 49
5. Denver Broncos 457 2266 5.0 105 541 5.2 131 595 4.5 52 321 6.2 46
St. Louis Rams 343 1405 4.1 65 295 4.5 101 330 3.3 65 286 4.4 46
7. Carolina Panthers 452 1586 3.5 109 574 5.3 155 419 2.7 46 142 3.1 44
Chicago Bears 382 1344 3.5 101 360 3.6 96 280 2.9 44 163 3.7 44
9. Jacksonville Jaguars 455 2089 4.6 76 297 3.9 209 1017 4.9 55 297 5.4 42
10. Arizona Cardinals 414 1823 4.4 116 648 5.6 108 372 3.4 49 175 3.6 41
Baltimore Ravens 427 1792 4.2 96 290 3.0 160 560 3.5 62 503 8.1 41
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 414 1557 3.8 57 194 3.4 138 414 3.0 69 337 4.9 41
13. New Orleans Saints 425 1767 4.2 98 341 3.5 94 250 2.7 50 254 5.1 38
Washington Redskins 442 1889 4.3 93 369 4.0 135 398 2.9 87 487 5.6 38
15. Cincinnati Bengals 426 1730 4.1 101 499 4.9 117 385 3.3 41 149 3.6 37
16. Atlanta Falcons 523 2368 4.5 112 541 4.8 150 545 3.6 73 410 5.6 36
Philadelphia Eagles 489 2220 4.5 64 231 3.6 173 819 4.7 51 393 7.7 36
Oakland Raiders 414 1762 4.3 61 286 4.7 153 554 3.6 62 296 4.8 36
19. Cleveland Browns 406 1615 4.0 98 374 3.8 112 340 3.0 48 204 4.3 35
20. Pittsburgh Steelers 512 2120 4.1 100 385 3.9 152 580 3.8 83 512 6.2 34
21. Seattle Seahawks 430 1740 4.0 88 364 4.1 135 542 4.0 70 318 4.5 33
22. New York Jets 400 1618 4.0 97 349 3.6 108 444 4.1 47 220 4.7 32
23. New England Patriots 395 1508 3.8 81 294 3.6 154 567 3.7 62 279 4.5 31
24. Green Bay Packers 451 1933 4.3 94 367 3.9 105 358 3.4 69 318 4.6 27
25. Kansas City Chiefs 462 2378 5.1 56 379 6.8 179 861 4.8 85 538 6.3 26
26. Miami Dolphins 530 2502 4.7 112 410 3.7 182 696 3.8 53 409 7.7 25
27. New York Giants 486 1875 3.9 94 341 3.6 145 299 2.1 86 532 6.2 24
San Diego Chargers 466 2137 4.6 77 296 3.8 151 652 4.3 79 418 5.3 24
29. Indianapolis Colts 434 1561 3.6 66 246 3.7 161 581 3.6 59 193 3.3 23
30. San Francisco 49ers 489 2244 4.6 67 245 3.7 194 737 3.8 59 376 6.4 22
31. Tennessee Titans 511 1952 3.8 99 352 3.6 185 697 3.8 45 226 5.0 21
32. Detroit Lions 358 1477 4.1 54 206 3.8 109 380 3.5 60 376 6.3 20


I see it this way , the Raiders and the Eagles have given up 36 sacks and will probably end up in the Superbowl .

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

WhoDat

You know 08, I would love to see those stats also. I bet they would be daunting.

saintz08

PFW Reports :

Jan. 13, 2003


Although he hasn’t been getting much attention on a national level, insiders say the heat on Saints head coach Jim Haslett continues to be turned up as fans in the New Orleans area talk about the team’s collapse at the end of the season and criticize Haslett’s handling of QB Aaron Brooks’ shoulder injury.

Saints fans finally get some good press