New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

Danno · 10-17-2014, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

There's a lot of truth in what you just said, and I for one agree with this 100%. The issue is this is the 6th game of the season and I haven't been impressed with our play in any of the games, so if the effort we have seen in the first 5 games continues after the bye, then I think I am absolutely correct

Nothing about that is a fallacy

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

spkb25 · 10-17-2014, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

we'd be 4-1, but would you feel good about it? I wouldn't

spkb25 · 10-17-2014, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

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I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

This, and that is why I said we will be able to tell exactly what to expect if we get the same effort we did the first 5 games.

SaintLeonard · 10-18-2014, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

spkb25 · 10-18-2014, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

true, and that is what seems so bad. I swear it is the line again this year. drew has no time. although he has limited sacks, I saw n article where his hurries are crazy.

spkb25 · 10-18-2014, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

if we could get half of what we got from our d last year and our o would play the way it normally does, we'd run away with the division

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-18-2014, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either.

The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch.

I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye.

SFIAH

spkb25 · 10-18-2014, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye.

SFIAH

That's what I am hoping SFIAH.

SaintLeonard · 10-18-2014, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either.

The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch.

I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye.

SFIAH

I agree the offensive turnovers need to stop, Drew has made some questionable decisions this year that he doesn't normally make. Even still, the defense is a much bigger detriment to the team than the offense is at the moment.

10-17-2014, 05:38 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by spkb25 There's a lot of truth in what you just said, and I for one agree with this 100%. The issue is this is the 6th game of the season and I haven't been impressed with our play in any of the games, so if the effort we have seen in the first 5 games continues after the bye, then I think I am absolutely correct Nothing about that is a fallacy Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. saintfan, SaintFanInATLHELL and ScottF like this.

10-17-2014, 10:51 PM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. we'd be 4-1, but would you feel good about it? I wouldn't

10-17-2014, 10:52 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno . I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. This, and that is why I said we will be able to tell exactly what to expect if we get the same effort we did the first 5 games.

10-18-2014, 01:37 AM	#4
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

10-18-2014, 08:16 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest. true, and that is what seems so bad. I swear it is the line again this year. drew has no time. although he has limited sacks, I saw n article where his hurries are crazy.

10-18-2014, 08:17 AM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest. if we could get half of what we got from our d last year and our o would play the way it normally does, we'd run away with the division

10-18-2014, 08:25 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest. But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either. The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch. I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye. SFIAH

10-18-2014, 10:08 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye. SFIAH That's what I am hoping SFIAH.

10-18-2014, 05:17 PM	#9
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either. The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch. I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye. SFIAH I agree the offensive turnovers need to stop, Drew has made some questionable decisions this year that he doesn't normally make. Even still, the defense is a much bigger detriment to the team than the offense is at the moment.

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