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10-18-2014, 11:08 AM | #22 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
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10-18-2014, 03:26 PM | #23 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
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I think you missed my point. I'm not arguing one way or the other if running the football is the path to success. I too believe that the Saints would benefit from both running the ball more and more effectively.
My point is you have an offensive brain trust in Payton, Carmichael, and Brees that's been in place for 8 seasons now. The offense is etched in granite. It's an offense that from 2006 on has piloted the team to winning, elite, and championship level football. My point is that wishing for a fundamental change isn't going to make it happen. At this point it would literally take flushing out the entire organization to effect such a fundamental change. Currently what the Saints do well is run the ball effectively. They are #2 in the NFL at 5.2 YPA. Also we always have this discussion as if the Saints do not run the ball at all. Or that each and every pass isn't a screen or a long handoff. It isn't really like the Cowboys are having 55 rushes per game and the Saints have 3. The actual numbers up until now is 33 attempts vs. 25 attempts. Note the 33 APG is tops in the NFL So will 8 more rushes per game really make the Saints offense the absolute unbeatable juggernaut that will only end at the Lombardi Trophy? As for QB and WR, history is changing. With the lopsided tilt of the rules to the offense in today's NFL "in the name of player safety" we will soon have 6000 yard passers, 25 TDs per year for receiver/TE and 60 TD/yr QBs. In the next 10 years, running the football on offense will simply be a distraction from the passing game. That's why there is so much emphasis in QBs and WR. My bet is that there will never be another Trent Dilfer winning the SB. Not in today's climate. Now I will admit that sometimes Brees and Payton get a bit pass happy. 57 pass attempts in any game is way way too much. But the perceived lack of rushing really isn't the problem for the offense. The real problems are failure to convert red zone opportunities into TDs and turnovers. Fix those two, along with the defense getting a stop or turnover a bit more often, and you'll see more of the rushing attack because the team will be executing that rushing attack in the 8 minute drill in the 4th quarter of games. BTW, I see what you did. You didn't answer my question... SFIAH |
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10-18-2014, 03:36 PM | #24 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by teddybarexxx
2010 Green Bay Packers. Running game in the 20s in every category that season. Middle of the pack in the playoffs.
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
I think its mush simpler than that.
We have an A offense and a D defense. Its not too difficult to see which side of the ball needs the most attention. |
10-18-2014, 03:58 PM | #26 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by Danno
I disagree. We have a B- offense and a D defense.
A 'B' defense gets off the field on third down, doesn't give up the big play, gets a turnover every once in a while, like once a game, contains the run, and pressures the QB. At this point I'd take a 'B-' or a C defense that does many of these items on a consistent basis. An 'A' offense wins games, not lose them. The offense was just as much to blame in the Atlanta and Cleveland losses as the defense. I really hope not to see those kinds of mistakes going down the stretch. SFIAH |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
Just my opinion, but you are out of your freaking mind if you think the offense was just as much to blame as our defense for those 2 losses, especially the Atlanta loss where our defense gave up nearly 600 yards.
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10-18-2014, 05:44 PM | #28 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by Danno
Yards do not define wins and losses. Points do. Brees threw a red zone interception in the Atlanta game. He threw a pick-6 at Cleveland. Colston fumbled the ball in the Atlanta game. The only reason that we are not discussing the two awful interceptions in the Tampa game is that we finally walked away with a win.
I know that the team was up in both games up until the end of regulation. However, with mistake free ball by the offense, we may have been up enough that it did not require the defense to make a stop. The fact is that the defense was in exactly the same situation in the Tampa game because Brees threw those two terrible interceptions, including the pick-6. It just so happens that the defense did step up and get the safety that got us back in the game. But honestly if Brees had simply eaten the ball on those two plays, the game would not have been nearly as close a call as it ended up being. Read it again, carefully please. I'm not saying that the defense is off the hook. They were terrible. I'm saying that the offense made critical mistakes to put the team in a position that winning the game depended on the terrible defense having to make a stop. Regardless of the defense the offense has three jobs: score points, limit turnovers, and manage the 4 minute offense effectively. Those are their jobs to protect an inconsistent defense. They have not been doing their job. So they deserve some of the blame. SFIAH |
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10-18-2014, 06:12 PM | #29 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
You didn't say they deserve some of the blame, you said they were equally to blame.
The offense wasn't perfect and no one said they were, but to say the offense played equally as bad as the defense is ridiculous. |
10-18-2014, 06:17 PM | #30 |
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Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense
Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL
I agree the offensive turnovers need to stop, Drew has made some questionable decisions this year that he doesn't normally make. Even still, the defense is a much bigger detriment to the team than the offense is at the moment.
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