New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense

10-17-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

this game will be won if we commit to the run. pound on the lions front four make the lb's and db's peak in the back field and then you'll be able to get the ball to open receivers.

Question: When is the last Saints game that you've seen where that formula has actually been used? My memory is a bit hazy...

SFIAH

spkb25 · 10-17-2014, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

This is a fallacy. Each game of the season is a mini episode onto itself. The performance (good or bad) in one game does not readily translate into equal performance in the subsequent game or games?

How many times this season has a team that had been crowned fallen (Seattle, Cinncinatti)? Or a team that has left for dead all of a sudden become a top contender again (Green Bay, New England)?

I went to the Atlanta game the first game of the season. After that game one would have thought that the Lombardi had been graced upon the 'Clowns and that the Saints season was over. It's 5 weeks later and take a look at the standings.

There's a reason most atheletes and coaches stick to the "one game at a time" mantra. An NFL season really isn't a 16 game season over 17 weeks. It's 16 one week seasons, each unique and special.

Here's the simple fact: The Saints win Sunday and the Panther's take another loss (against a very tough opponent on the road) and the Saints will be up 0.5 games in the loss column.

It's not going to be that if we spank the Lions, we will instantly have another LombardiGras. Or if we make mistakes that the season is lost.

However, right at this moment the Lions game is the most important game of the Saints season. Why? Because it's the next game.

SFIAH

There's a lot of truth in what you just said, and I for one agree with this 100%. The issue is this is the 6th game of the season and I haven't been impressed with our play in any of the games, so if the effort we have seen in the first 5 games continues after the bye, then I think I am absolutely correct

Nothing about that is a fallacy

Danno · 10-17-2014, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

There's a lot of truth in what you just said, and I for one agree with this 100%. The issue is this is the 6th game of the season and I haven't been impressed with our play in any of the games, so if the effort we have seen in the first 5 games continues after the bye, then I think I am absolutely correct

Nothing about that is a fallacy

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

spkb25 · 10-17-2014, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

we'd be 4-1, but would you feel good about it? I wouldn't

spkb25 · 10-17-2014, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

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I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

This, and that is why I said we will be able to tell exactly what to expect if we get the same effort we did the first 5 games.

SaintLeonard · 10-18-2014, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

spkb25 · 10-18-2014, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

true, and that is what seems so bad. I swear it is the line again this year. drew has no time. although he has limited sacks, I saw n article where his hurries are crazy.

spkb25 · 10-18-2014, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

if we could get half of what we got from our d last year and our o would play the way it normally does, we'd run away with the division

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-18-2014, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1.

2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed.

I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense.

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games.

We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either.

The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch.

I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye.

SFIAH

Cruize · 10-18-2014, 09:56 AM

Had a dream Joe Morgan caught two TD's this week.

10-17-2014, 03:34 PM	#11
Threaded by SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by teddybarexxx this game will be won if we commit to the run. pound on the lions front four make the lb's and db's peak in the back field and then you'll be able to get the ball to open receivers. Question: When is the last Saints game that you've seen where that formula has actually been used? My memory is a bit hazy... SFIAH brees84 likes this.
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10-17-2014, 04:59 PM	#12
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL This is a fallacy. Each game of the season is a mini episode onto itself. The performance (good or bad) in one game does not readily translate into equal performance in the subsequent game or games? How many times this season has a team that had been crowned fallen (Seattle, Cinncinatti)? Or a team that has left for dead all of a sudden become a top contender again (Green Bay, New England)? I went to the Atlanta game the first game of the season. After that game one would have thought that the Lombardi had been graced upon the 'Clowns and that the Saints season was over. It's 5 weeks later and take a look at the standings. There's a reason most atheletes and coaches stick to the "one game at a time" mantra. An NFL season really isn't a 16 game season over 17 weeks. It's 16 one week seasons, each unique and special. Here's the simple fact: The Saints win Sunday and the Panther's take another loss (against a very tough opponent on the road) and the Saints will be up 0.5 games in the loss column. It's not going to be that if we spank the Lions, we will instantly have another LombardiGras. Or if we make mistakes that the season is lost. However, right at this moment the Lions game is the most important game of the Saints season. Why? Because it's the next game. SFIAH There's a lot of truth in what you just said, and I for one agree with this 100%. The issue is this is the 6th game of the season and I haven't been impressed with our play in any of the games, so if the effort we have seen in the first 5 games continues after the bye, then I think I am absolutely correct Nothing about that is a fallacy

10-17-2014, 05:38 PM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by spkb25 There's a lot of truth in what you just said, and I for one agree with this 100%. The issue is this is the 6th game of the season and I haven't been impressed with our play in any of the games, so if the effort we have seen in the first 5 games continues after the bye, then I think I am absolutely correct Nothing about that is a fallacy Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. saintfan, SaintFanInATLHELL and ScottF like this.

10-17-2014, 10:51 PM	#14
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. we'd be 4-1, but would you feel good about it? I wouldn't

10-17-2014, 10:52 PM	#15
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno . I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. This, and that is why I said we will be able to tell exactly what to expect if we get the same effort we did the first 5 games.

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10-18-2014, 01:37 AM	#16
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest.

10-18-2014, 08:16 AM	#17
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest. true, and that is what seems so bad. I swear it is the line again this year. drew has no time. although he has limited sacks, I saw n article where his hurries are crazy.

10-18-2014, 08:17 AM	#18
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest. if we could get half of what we got from our d last year and our o would play the way it normally does, we'd run away with the division

10-18-2014, 08:25 AM	#19
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: New Orleans Saints face formidable challenge against Lions defense Originally Posted by Danno Fallacy may be a bit strong, but I can't help but think if our defense had just made one key stop in each game this season we'd be 5-1. 2 of our 3 losses could have easily, and I mean VERY easily gone the other way and we'd be 5-1 discussing how our defense has dodged some bullets but stepped up when needed. I don't think we're as bad a team as our record indicates, but we're playing as bad as our record indicates. If that makes sense. Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Exactly. Our defense allowed game winning/OT forcing drives in both of the ATL/CLE games. We don't even need a great defense to win. Honestly, if we could just have a mediocre/average defense, the offense would take care of the rest. But the flip side to the offense is true also. Throwing pick-6's and red zone interceptions and having critical drive killing fumbles and drops isn't real conducive to winning either. The Saints need to play perfect football to be a great team. It may be too much to expect right now. But a team that simply cut down on mistakes on both sides of the ball could easily be formidable down the stretch. I believe (and hope) that message has been drilled into everyone over the bye. SFIAH

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