PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense?

Exxcalibur · 10-24-2014, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Irrelevant... you said "how much does a guy need in life???"

He needs whatever the hell he thinks he needs and deserves whatever he feels he can get.

What a man needs in life is none of your business. Free markets take care of the plus/minus.

If I can hire someone for less, I'll hire someone for less.

If I think I need to pay a guy 11 zillion more than someone else, thats my decision not yours.

Cool your jets, Danno.

It's not that bad. I am not an emasculated liberal waging ideological war.

This whole forum is opinion. You, evidently, are allowed yours, and I am allowed mine. One might suggest anything the team does is none of anyone's business on here. Whatever works..

I think the pay checks in NFL are somewhat excessive. So what? You don't. We disagree. Big deal. What we think has nothing to do with anything and will affect nothing. I am pretty sure we can have divergent perspectives on here.

I think, however, it becomes problematic when a fairly significant investment limits purchasing and performance power across the team. If, as they suggests, we wont be able to hold onto Ingram next year, or pay for a decent replacement, then that little cap becomes an issue

I couldn't give a crap about free market politics, spread of wealth or healthcare... It is simply the reality of being able to spread talent across a team.

If we are able to deck the floor, great, if not... problems.

I'd rather they removed the cap, tbh, then we could just get on with it.

Danno · 10-24-2014, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Exxcalibur

Cool your jets, Danno.

It's not that bad. I am not an emasculated liberal waging ideological war.

This whole forum is opinion. You, evidently, are allowed yours, and I am allowed mine. One might suggest anything the team does is none of anyone's business on here. Whatever works..

I think the pay checks in NFL are somewhat excessive. So what? You don't. We disagree. Big deal. What we think has nothing to do with anything and will affect nothing. I am pretty sure we can have divergent perspectives on here.

I think, however, it becomes problematic when a fairly significant investment limits purchasing and performance power across the team. If, as they suggests, we wont be able to hold onto Ingram next year, or pay for a decent replacement, then that little cap becomes an issue

I couldn't give a crap about free market politics, spread of wealth or healthcare... It is simply the reality of being able to spread talent across a team.

If we are able to deck the floor, great, if not... problems.

I'd rather they removed the cap, tbh, then we could just get on with it.

Its cool, it just sounded like you have a problem with how much another man makes in a free market.

Barry from MS · 10-24-2014, 08:02 PM

Does Drew have the option to free up money from restructuring his own contract to help the Saints sign free agents? I honestly don't know, and I am not trying to be an @$$ with the question.

As far as paying dudes goes, it's how much the team is willing to pay. Free market capitalism. If Drew wants to spread the wealth (if he even can?) to help lure some free agents and dabble in some NFL socialism, let him. If he don't, let him. The dude has kids...game-changer when it comes to money.

WHODATINCA · 10-25-2014, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

2008-2012 Drew Brees could carry any defense

In 2008, 2011 and 2012 the offense carried the team

Drew is making bad decisions now though

You don't seriously think that Brees, all of a sudden, this year, has lost his ability to read defenses, look off DBs, and protect the football, right?

I'm not saying that DB is having a great year ... but I think your analysis gives him both too much credit and too much discredit.

And, it is this special theory of relative blame that gives me pause this year -- ESPECIALLY when the theory involves only one player.

I start hearing game show error buzzers.

WHODATINCA · 10-25-2014, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Exxcalibur

Cool your jets, Danno.

It's not that bad. I am not an emasculated liberal waging ideological war.

Wait, liberals are emasculated now?! Wow, we have truly become unpopular AND I may end up having to wear a bag on my head this year too! Damn.

But, guess what? Without the check and balance of the salary cap this game would become as much fun to watch as politics.

So.... the team becomes a community, and thereby dependent on each other to work together ( kumbayah ) and the financial incentives for individuals can become de-incentivizing for the whole team. So, rant all you want about free-market capitalism -- just meet us back here to b*tch when individual stud players get paid what the market will bear.

dizzle88 · 10-25-2014, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

You don't seriously think that Brees, all of a sudden, this year, has lost his ability to read defenses, look off DBs, and protect the football, right?

I'm not saying that DB is having a great year ... but I think your analysis gives him both too much credit and too much discredit.

And, it is this special theory of relative blame that gives me pause this year -- ESPECIALLY when the theory involves only one player.

I start hearing game show error buzzers.

My point was that the drew Brees of those years did not make dumb throws like he has been doing

Almost Brett favre-esque trying to complete a pass whilst falling down and throwing a wounded duck straight to the defender

I would say drew Brees has lost his ability to protect the football, seen as he is missing open receivers and throwing into double coverage - see the Dallas interception.

Utah_Saint · 10-25-2014, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

My point was that the drew Brees of those years did not make dumb throws like he has been doing

Almost Brett favre-esque trying to complete a pass whilst falling down and throwing a wounded duck straight to the defender

I would say drew Brees has lost his ability to protect the football, seen as he is missing open receivers and throwing into double coverage - see the Dallas interception.

Yes, he has, Drew's always thrown interceptions. More so when the team isn't playing well and he's trying to do too much.

hagan714 · 10-26-2014, 12:37 AM

offense can carry the defense that has looked shaky at times

what games has he been watching? at times? yeah right! more like at times actually played, this is his usual pr stuff he puts out every year.

other than that it was a good piece.

dizzle88 · 10-26-2014, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Yes, he has, Drew's always thrown interceptions. More so when the team isn't playing well and he's trying to do too much.

Not at the rate he is doing now

2009 - 34 TD's, 11 ints
2011 - 46 TD's, 12 ints
2014 so far - 9 TD's, 7 ints

He is on pace for another 20 interception year just like 2010 when he couldn't protect the ball that year.

Utah_Saint · 10-26-2014, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Not at the rate he is doing now

2009 - 34 TD's, 11 ints
2011 - 46 TD's, 12 ints
2014 so far - 9 TD's, 7 ints

He is on pace for another 20 interception year just like 2010 when he couldn't protect the ball that year.

Not his best year but not his worst either.

Int/attempt
2002 - 3.04%
2003 - 4.21%
2004 - 1.75%
2005 - 3.00%
2006 - 1.99%
2007 - 2.76%
2008 - 2.68%
2009 - 2.14%
2010 - 3.34%
2011 - 2.13%
2012 - 2.84%
2013 - 1.85%
2014 - 2.66%

Drew's always thrown a lot of interceptions.

10-24-2014, 07:56 PM	#11
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by Danno Irrelevant... you said "how much does a guy need in life???" He needs whatever the hell he thinks he needs and deserves whatever he feels he can get. What a man needs in life is none of your business. Free markets take care of the plus/minus. If I can hire someone for less, I'll hire someone for less. If I think I need to pay a guy 11 zillion more than someone else, thats my decision not yours. Cool your jets, Danno. It's not that bad. I am not an emasculated liberal waging ideological war. This whole forum is opinion. You, evidently, are allowed yours, and I am allowed mine. One might suggest anything the team does is none of anyone's business on here. Whatever works.. I think the pay checks in NFL are somewhat excessive. So what? You don't. We disagree. Big deal. What we think has nothing to do with anything and will affect nothing. I am pretty sure we can have divergent perspectives on here. I think, however, it becomes problematic when a fairly significant investment limits purchasing and performance power across the team. If, as they suggests, we wont be able to hold onto Ingram next year, or pay for a decent replacement, then that little cap becomes an issue I couldn't give a crap about free market politics, spread of wealth or healthcare... It is simply the reality of being able to spread talent across a team. If we are able to deck the floor, great, if not... problems. I'd rather they removed the cap, tbh, then we could just get on with it.

10-24-2014, 08:01 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by Exxcalibur Cool your jets, Danno. It's not that bad. I am not an emasculated liberal waging ideological war. This whole forum is opinion. You, evidently, are allowed yours, and I am allowed mine. One might suggest anything the team does is none of anyone's business on here. Whatever works.. I think the pay checks in NFL are somewhat excessive. So what? You don't. We disagree. Big deal. What we think has nothing to do with anything and will affect nothing. I am pretty sure we can have divergent perspectives on here. I think, however, it becomes problematic when a fairly significant investment limits purchasing and performance power across the team. If, as they suggests, we wont be able to hold onto Ingram next year, or pay for a decent replacement, then that little cap becomes an issue I couldn't give a crap about free market politics, spread of wealth or healthcare... It is simply the reality of being able to spread talent across a team. If we are able to deck the floor, great, if not... problems. I'd rather they removed the cap, tbh, then we could just get on with it. Its cool, it just sounded like you have a problem with how much another man makes in a free market. Exxcalibur likes this.

10-24-2014, 08:02 PM	#13
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Does Drew have the option to free up money from restructuring his own contract to help the Saints sign free agents? I honestly don't know, and I am not trying to be an @$$ with the question. As far as paying dudes goes, it's how much the team is willing to pay. Free market capitalism. If Drew wants to spread the wealth (if he even can?) to help lure some free agents and dabble in some NFL socialism, let him. If he don't, let him. The dude has kids...game-changer when it comes to money. Exxcalibur likes this.

10-25-2014, 05:26 PM	#14
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by dizzle88 2008-2012 Drew Brees could carry any defense In 2008, 2011 and 2012 the offense carried the team Drew is making bad decisions now though You don't seriously think that Brees, all of a sudden, this year, has lost his ability to read defenses, look off DBs, and protect the football, right? I'm not saying that DB is having a great year ... but I think your analysis gives him both too much credit and too much discredit. And, it is this special theory of relative blame that gives me pause this year -- ESPECIALLY when the theory involves only one player. I start hearing game show error buzzers.

10-25-2014, 05:41 PM	#15
WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by Exxcalibur Cool your jets, Danno. It's not that bad. I am not an emasculated liberal waging ideological war. Wait, liberals are emasculated now?! Wow, we have truly become unpopular AND I may end up having to wear a bag on my head this year too! Damn. But, guess what? Without the check and balance of the salary cap this game would become as much fun to watch as politics. So.... the team becomes a community, and thereby dependent on each other to work together ( kumbayah ) and the financial incentives for individuals can become de-incentivizing for the whole team. So, rant all you want about free-market capitalism -- just meet us back here to b*tch when individual stud players get paid what the market will bear.
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10-25-2014, 06:13 PM	#16
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by WHODATINCA You don't seriously think that Brees, all of a sudden, this year, has lost his ability to read defenses, look off DBs, and protect the football, right? I'm not saying that DB is having a great year ... but I think your analysis gives him both too much credit and too much discredit. And, it is this special theory of relative blame that gives me pause this year -- ESPECIALLY when the theory involves only one player. I start hearing game show error buzzers. My point was that the drew Brees of those years did not make dumb throws like he has been doing Almost Brett favre-esque trying to complete a pass whilst falling down and throwing a wounded duck straight to the defender I would say drew Brees has lost his ability to protect the football, seen as he is missing open receivers and throwing into double coverage - see the Dallas interception.

10-25-2014, 08:56 PM	#17
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by dizzle88 My point was that the drew Brees of those years did not make dumb throws like he has been doing Almost Brett favre-esque trying to complete a pass whilst falling down and throwing a wounded duck straight to the defender I would say drew Brees has lost his ability to protect the football, seen as he is missing open receivers and throwing into double coverage - see the Dallas interception. Yes, he has, Drew's always thrown interceptions. More so when the team isn't playing well and he's trying to do too much.

10-26-2014, 12:37 AM	#18
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? offense can carry the defense that has looked shaky at times what games has he been watching? at times? yeah right! more like at times actually played, this is his usual pr stuff he puts out every year. other than that it was a good piece.
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10-26-2014, 09:25 AM	#19
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Yes, he has, Drew's always thrown interceptions. More so when the team isn't playing well and he's trying to do too much. Not at the rate he is doing now 2009 - 34 TD's, 11 ints 2011 - 46 TD's, 12 ints 2014 so far - 9 TD's, 7 ints He is on pace for another 20 interception year just like 2010 when he couldn't protect the ball that year.

10-26-2014, 09:44 AM	#20
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: PFT Live: Can Saints offense overcome shaky defense? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Not at the rate he is doing now 2009 - 34 TD's, 11 ints 2011 - 46 TD's, 12 ints 2014 so far - 9 TD's, 7 ints He is on pace for another 20 interception year just like 2010 when he couldn't protect the ball that year. Not his best year but not his worst either. Int/attempt 2002 - 3.04% 2003 - 4.21% 2004 - 1.75% 2005 - 3.00% 2006 - 1.99% 2007 - 2.76% 2008 - 2.68% 2009 - 2.14% 2010 - 3.34% 2011 - 2.13% 2012 - 2.84% 2013 - 1.85% 2014 - 2.66% Drew's always thrown a lot of interceptions.

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