Base D vs Blitzing D

WhoDat2301 · 10-29-2014, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I wanted to reach through the TV and slap Cris Collinsworth Sunday night when he kept talking about Ryan wanting to blitz all the time. He had no clue what he was talking about at all.

He never has a clue about anything. I can't stand to hear him on TV.

dizzle88 · 10-29-2014, 09:25 AM

Collingsworthless, phill Simms and troy aikman are each terrible in their own way

Monday night football crew are easily my favourite

Danno · 10-29-2014, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I actually think he's the best color guy out there right now. Which makes it all the more disappointing when he gets things so wrong. He just didn't do his research at all.

I do find it humorous that we now have 2 dozen color commentators that are the worst in the business.

Collinsworth is the best out there, or at least as good as Aikman. I like Gannon a lot too.

dizzle88 · 10-29-2014, 09:37 AM

Gruden is no slouch, I think he's great on MNF

Danno · 10-29-2014, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Gruden is no slouch, I think he's great on MNF

I get annoyed at his constant player worship. Not every player is great and not every play is great.

He brings very little insight and a whole lot of cheerleading for both sides.

dizzle88 · 10-29-2014, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I get annoyed at his constant player worship. Not every player is great and not every play is great.

He brings very little insight and a whole lot of cheerleading for both sides.

Yeah that's definitely true, I think he's trying to add to the excitement for the fans watching by going into that much detail

I do think he is a very technically smart guy though, he explains concepts and schemes well for people that aren't massively clued up.

Crusader · 10-29-2014, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We gave up over 400 yards passing... The only time the D looked good was when Rogers didn't have all year to throw. Pressure is the key in my opinion, how you get the pressure is the problem. If we are rushing 4, that's fine but we need to get home. I wasn't too impressed by the defense, they had good moments but missed tackles and WR/RBs running free was still a problem.

one way to get pressure is to have amazing coverage. Its a two way street where all parts need to click for the whole to be good.

When it comes to the 3-step passing game, the slants, quick outs and underneath routes i.e. pressure are and will be virtually non-existent, especially when the QB works out of the shot gun. There just won't be enough time between the ball is snapped and when it leaves the QBs hand to get there. The only way you can get a sack in that part of the game is if the defence can manage to blanket all the WRs and forcing the QB to hold on to the ball for too long.

Mardigras9 · 10-29-2014, 10:34 AM

Whatever results in an effective pass rush, go with that. Otherwise, it just doesn't matter.

hagan714 · 10-29-2014, 11:04 AM

if we run that cover 2 like we did against the pack Cam will eat us up running.

it has to be week to week without a doubt.

this week is gap discipline speed rusher pushed out to wide will kill us. as will getting blocked into a bunch. gotta hold our ground and collapse the pocket the old fashion way. bull rushing.

that IMO will be the key. hem in cam and crush him.

halloween 65 · 10-30-2014, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

if we run that cover 2 like we did against the pack Cam will eat us up running.

it has to be week to week without a doubt.

this week is gap discipline speed rusher pushed out to wide will kill us. as will getting blocked into a bunch. gotta hold our ground and collapse the pocket the old fashion way. bull rushing.

that IMO will be the key. hem in cam and crush him.

We could spy him using a 3 S set to see if that worked, Vaccarro is big enough to bring him down and an occasional delayed blitz will make him a little skiddish of running so quick but I do think the bull rush is the best. I look for Lofton and V have a big game.

10-29-2014, 09:20 AM	#21
WhoDat2301 WDN Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Travis AFB, CA Posts: 106	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I wanted to reach through the TV and slap Cris Collinsworth Sunday night when he kept talking about Ryan wanting to blitz all the time. He had no clue what he was talking about at all. He never has a clue about anything. I can't stand to hear him on TV.

10-29-2014, 09:25 AM	#22
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Collingsworthless, phill Simms and troy aikman are each terrible in their own way Monday night football crew are easily my favourite WhoDat2301 likes this.

10-29-2014, 09:26 AM	#23
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I actually think he's the best color guy out there right now. Which makes it all the more disappointing when he gets things so wrong. He just didn't do his research at all. I do find it humorous that we now have 2 dozen color commentators that are the worst in the business. Collinsworth is the best out there, or at least as good as Aikman. I like Gannon a lot too.

10-29-2014, 09:37 AM	#24
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Gruden is no slouch, I think he's great on MNF

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Originally Posted by dizzle88 Gruden is no slouch, I think he's great on MNF I get annoyed at his constant player worship. Not every player is great and not every play is great. He brings very little insight and a whole lot of cheerleading for both sides. dizzle88 likes this.

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10-29-2014, 09:53 AM	#26
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Originally Posted by Danno I get annoyed at his constant player worship. Not every player is great and not every play is great. He brings very little insight and a whole lot of cheerleading for both sides. Yeah that's definitely true, I think he's trying to add to the excitement for the fans watching by going into that much detail I do think he is a very technically smart guy though, he explains concepts and schemes well for people that aren't massively clued up.

10-29-2014, 10:31 AM	#27
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Originally Posted by blackangold We gave up over 400 yards passing... The only time the D looked good was when Rogers didn't have all year to throw. Pressure is the key in my opinion, how you get the pressure is the problem. If we are rushing 4, that's fine but we need to get home. I wasn't too impressed by the defense, they had good moments but missed tackles and WR/RBs running free was still a problem. one way to get pressure is to have amazing coverage. Its a two way street where all parts need to click for the whole to be good. When it comes to the 3-step passing game, the slants, quick outs and underneath routes i.e. pressure are and will be virtually non-existent, especially when the QB works out of the shot gun. There just won't be enough time between the ball is snapped and when it leaves the QBs hand to get there. The only way you can get a sack in that part of the game is if the defence can manage to blanket all the WRs and forcing the QB to hold on to the ball for too long.
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10-29-2014, 10:34 AM	#28
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10-29-2014, 11:04 AM	#29
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D if we run that cover 2 like we did against the pack Cam will eat us up running. it has to be week to week without a doubt. this week is gap discipline speed rusher pushed out to wide will kill us. as will getting blocked into a bunch. gotta hold our ground and collapse the pocket the old fashion way. bull rushing. that IMO will be the key. hem in cam and crush him. Barry from MS likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Base D vs Blitzing D Originally Posted by hagan714 if we run that cover 2 like we did against the pack Cam will eat us up running. it has to be week to week without a doubt. this week is gap discipline speed rusher pushed out to wide will kill us. as will getting blocked into a bunch. gotta hold our ground and collapse the pocket the old fashion way. bull rushing. that IMO will be the key. hem in cam and crush him. We could spy him using a 3 S set to see if that worked, Vaccarro is big enough to bring him down and an occasional delayed blitz will make him a little skiddish of running so quick but I do think the bull rush is the best. I look for Lofton and V have a big game. Danno likes this.

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