Ingram - Saints Relationship

Jack Vegas · 10-31-2014, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Name a team that is successful with the RBBC excluding us.

Carolina was very successful with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert for several years until they got old and injury prone. Bengals are doing well right now with Bernard and Hill. Patriots get a ton of production out of Ridley/Vereen and whoever else they plug in there. Colts are getting a lot out of Bradshaw/Richardson/Herron. Browns did well with Tate/West/Crowell until their o-line got messed up. Etc.

And you might notice that pretty much every big time college program plays 3 and 4 guys. In fact I would say the number of NFL teams which does not regularly use at least a two-back rotation is very small. and many are using 3 these days.

We take it to the extreme with 4, but really if you think about it the Cadet/Sproles/Bush spot in the rotation really isn't a running back, it's more a receiver position.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching Ingram run. I just don't want him getting 30 carries every game. Haslett ran Deuce into the ground with that crap and probably took 4-5 years off his career. If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.

blackangold · 10-31-2014, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Carolina was very successful with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert for several years until they got old and injury prone. Bengals are doing well right now with Bernard and Hill. Patriots get a ton of production out of Ridley/Vereen and whoever else they plug in there. Colts are getting a lot out of Bradshaw/Richardson/Herron. Browns did well with Tate/West/Crowell until their o-line got messed up. Etc.

And you might notice that pretty much every big time college program plays 3 and 4 guys. In fact I would say the number of NFL teams which does not regularly use at least a two-back rotation is very small. and many are using 3 these days.

We take it to the extreme with 4, but really if you think about it the Cadet/Sproles/Bush spot in the rotation really isn't a running back, it's more a receiver position.

Don't get me wrong, I love watching Ingram run. I just don't want him getting 30 carries every game. Haslett ran Deuce into the ground with that crap and probably took 4-5 years off his career. If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.

So the only current examples are ranked in the bottom of the league...

dam1953 · 10-31-2014, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Carolina ..........If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.

My point, which really wasn't clear, was that it's not how many RBs we have or the number of touches they each get. I was that SP seemed to have player packages for situations and specific plays and play calling was getting predictable. Yes, if Brees has plenty of time or the O line blows the D off the ball, then it doesn't matter, but the job gets easier if the D is confused.

With KR and PT injured SP was forced to use Ingram in situations and play calls where he typically wouldn't. This makes our offense less predicable and much more dangerous.

10-31-2014, 01:18 AM	#1
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Ingram - Saints Relationship Originally Posted by blackangold Name a team that is successful with the RBBC excluding us. Carolina was very successful with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert for several years until they got old and injury prone. Bengals are doing well right now with Bernard and Hill. Patriots get a ton of production out of Ridley/Vereen and whoever else they plug in there. Colts are getting a lot out of Bradshaw/Richardson/Herron. Browns did well with Tate/West/Crowell until their o-line got messed up. Etc. And you might notice that pretty much every big time college program plays 3 and 4 guys. In fact I would say the number of NFL teams which does not regularly use at least a two-back rotation is very small. and many are using 3 these days. We take it to the extreme with 4, but really if you think about it the Cadet/Sproles/Bush spot in the rotation really isn't a running back, it's more a receiver position. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Ingram run. I just don't want him getting 30 carries every game. Haslett ran Deuce into the ground with that crap and probably took 4-5 years off his career. If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too.
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10-31-2014, 12:45 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Ingram - Saints Relationship Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Carolina was very successful with Williams/Stewart/Tolbert for several years until they got old and injury prone. Bengals are doing well right now with Bernard and Hill. Patriots get a ton of production out of Ridley/Vereen and whoever else they plug in there. Colts are getting a lot out of Bradshaw/Richardson/Herron. Browns did well with Tate/West/Crowell until their o-line got messed up. Etc. And you might notice that pretty much every big time college program plays 3 and 4 guys. In fact I would say the number of NFL teams which does not regularly use at least a two-back rotation is very small. and many are using 3 these days. We take it to the extreme with 4, but really if you think about it the Cadet/Sproles/Bush spot in the rotation really isn't a running back, it's more a receiver position. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Ingram run. I just don't want him getting 30 carries every game. Haslett ran Deuce into the ground with that crap and probably took 4-5 years off his career. If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too. So the only current examples are ranked in the bottom of the league... dam1953 likes this.

10-31-2014, 01:05 PM	#3
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Ingram - Saints Relationship Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Carolina ..........If SP had done the same thing with, say, PT, he'd probably be washed up by now too. My point, which really wasn't clear, was that it's not how many RBs we have or the number of touches they each get. I was that SP seemed to have player packages for situations and specific plays and play calling was getting predictable. Yes, if Brees has plenty of time or the O line blows the D off the ball, then it doesn't matter, but the job gets easier if the D is confused. With KR and PT injured SP was forced to use Ingram in situations and play calls where he typically wouldn't. This makes our offense less predicable and much more dangerous. SASaintsfan likes this.
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