Best Saints QB Ever

CHACHING · 01-02-2005, 08:36 AM

Fourcade was straight garbage.............scab...........
Please don\'t bring those negative memories back......... :P

Euphoria · 01-02-2005, 09:09 AM

I think in order for a majority vote on this where we can all agree or most agree on you have to set the standards... stats alone? important victories? what the player brought to the team? or your favorite qb by your heart?

Brooks
Manning
Hebert

my heart:
Manning
Brooks
Hebert

Saint_LB · 01-02-2005, 10:11 AM

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I was trying to find out his all-time win-loss percentage, but I couldn\'t. I think he was 2-1 as a starter in the strike games. [/quote:f9b5051974]

What I do remember about Fourcade is that he came in as a starter for the last three games of one season, and won all three of those games. It wasn\'t enough to get the Saints into the playoffs, but it was enough to earn Hebert an extra 50K or something due to a clause he had in his contract that stated that if we won a certain amount of games, I think it was ten, that he would get this extra money. I guess the front office blew it on this one by not adding that he had to be the starter for those games....lol.

Teknosaur · 01-02-2005, 07:15 PM

I can\'t say that I am anti-Brooks but the man is so inconsistent, and when Archie Manning Played he didn\'t have the supporting cast that Brooks has. Half of Mannings interceptions were due to errors on the receivers part. I must give Arron Brooks credit though he does have the only playoff win in franchise history.

subguy · 01-02-2005, 08:28 PM

Manning...............Although I will place Brooks a level above Shuler.And lest we forget the stat machine Billy Kilmer

[Edited on 3/1/2005 by subguy]

Euphoria · 01-03-2005, 07:16 AM

Killmer didn\'t do that much as a Saint.

dberce1 · 01-03-2005, 09:47 AM

Can I change my answer to Danny Weurfel??

Puddinhead · 01-03-2005, 10:52 AM

Are you saying Archie had as much talent as Aaron Brooks has? Seriously? No, SERIOUSLY???? Okay, I quit. That is so wrong I don\'t even think it deserves a response. One question, how bad was the o-line in front of Archie? Prob the worst in history. OH but I forgot, that only works for Brooks. ROFLMAO!!!

In 1979, when the Saints logged their first non-losing season ever of 8-8 behind Manning, Muncie, Galbreath, Wes Chandler, Ike Harris, and Henry Childs, the team ranked 6th in the league in rushing yardage (2474 yds), 4th in the league in yards per carry (4.49 ypc), and 1st in the league in rushing TDs (28) behind an offensive line featuring Conrad Dobler, John Hill, Emanuel Zanders, among others. Somebody must have been blocking somebody, because Manning was only sacked 17 times all season.

Manning, by the way, threw 15 TDs and 20 INTs that season...and still went to the Pro Bowl.

Do we place an artificially high threshold for success for Brooks to reach, or do we just have very selective memory?

[Edited on 3/1/2005 by Puddinhead]

Puddinhead · 01-03-2005, 11:00 AM

Oh.....Manning\'s other Pro Bowl season came the year before, in 1978...when he threw 17 TDs and 16 INTs. I\'m not saying Archie wasn\'t courageous and valiant and athletically gifted--not to mention one of the all-time nice guys--but he easily made just as many bone-headed decisions with the ball as Aaron Brooks does now.

blackwidows · 01-03-2005, 02:40 PM

Well as far as athletiscism yes. I think Quarterback instincts Brooks brings a big question mark. Well I must say Brooks is getting closer to the Archie Mannings record of most touchdownpasses as a Saint with 11 ,Brooks has 107. Another argument can be made that the Saints of the Manning era did not have as much talent at certain key positions. Well not to mention Brooks had his second worst qb rating with 79.5 this year.

01-02-2005, 08:36 AM	#21
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Best Saints QB Ever Fourcade was straight garbage.............scab........... Please don\'t bring those negative memories back......... :P

01-02-2005, 09:09 AM	#22
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Best Saints QB Ever I think in order for a majority vote on this where we can all agree or most agree on you have to set the standards... stats alone? important victories? what the player brought to the team? or your favorite qb by your heart? Brooks Manning Hebert my heart: Manning Brooks Hebert

01-02-2005, 10:11 AM	#23
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Best Saints QB Ever [/quote:f9b5051974] I was trying to find out his all-time win-loss percentage, but I couldn\'t. I think he was 2-1 as a starter in the strike games. [/quote:f9b5051974] What I do remember about Fourcade is that he came in as a starter for the last three games of one season, and won all three of those games. It wasn\'t enough to get the Saints into the playoffs, but it was enough to earn Hebert an extra 50K or something due to a clause he had in his contract that stated that if we won a certain amount of games, I think it was ten, that he would get this extra money. I guess the front office blew it on this one by not adding that he had to be the starter for those games....lol.
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01-02-2005, 07:15 PM	#24
Teknosaur Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisville Kentucky Posts: 1	Best Saints QB Ever I can\'t say that I am anti-Brooks but the man is so inconsistent, and when Archie Manning Played he didn\'t have the supporting cast that Brooks has. Half of Mannings interceptions were due to errors on the receivers part. I must give Arron Brooks credit though he does have the only playoff win in franchise history.

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subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Best Saints QB Ever Manning...............Although I will place Brooks a level above Shuler.And lest we forget the stat machine Billy Kilmer [Edited on 3/1/2005 by subguy]

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Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	Best Saints QB Ever Are you saying Archie had as much talent as Aaron Brooks has? Seriously? No, SERIOUSLY???? Okay, I quit. That is so wrong I don\'t even think it deserves a response. One question, how bad was the o-line in front of Archie? Prob the worst in history. OH but I forgot, that only works for Brooks. ROFLMAO!!! In 1979, when the Saints logged their first non-losing season ever of 8-8 behind Manning, Muncie, Galbreath, Wes Chandler, Ike Harris, and Henry Childs, the team ranked 6th in the league in rushing yardage (2474 yds), 4th in the league in yards per carry (4.49 ypc), and 1st in the league in rushing TDs (28) behind an offensive line featuring Conrad Dobler, John Hill, Emanuel Zanders, among others. Somebody must have been blocking somebody, because Manning was only sacked 17 times all season. Manning, by the way, threw 15 TDs and 20 INTs that season...and still went to the Pro Bowl. Do we place an artificially high threshold for success for Brooks to reach, or do we just have very selective memory? [Edited on 3/1/2005 by Puddinhead]
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01-03-2005, 11:00 AM	#29
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	Best Saints QB Ever Oh.....Manning\'s other Pro Bowl season came the year before, in 1978...when he threw 17 TDs and 16 INTs. I\'m not saying Archie wasn\'t courageous and valiant and athletically gifted--not to mention one of the all-time nice guys--but he easily made just as many bone-headed decisions with the ball as Aaron Brooks does now.
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01-03-2005, 02:40 PM	#30
blackwidows 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 245	Best Saints QB Ever Well as far as athletiscism yes. I think Quarterback instincts Brooks brings a big question mark. Well I must say Brooks is getting closer to the Archie Mannings record of most touchdownpasses as a Saint with 11 ,Brooks has 107. Another argument can be made that the Saints of the Manning era did not have as much talent at certain key positions. Well not to mention Brooks had his second worst qb rating with 79.5 this year.
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