Best Saints QB Ever

lynwood · 12-31-2004, 12:49 PM

With AB getting closer to holding most of the saints records and a first playoff win, is he the best Saints QB?

GumboBC · 12-31-2004, 01:00 PM

Some will say Archie and some will say Brooks.

Archie threw more INts than TDs and never made it to the playoffs.

Brooks has superior stats and led this team to its only playoff victory.

In fairness to Archie, he played on terrible teams. It was far from being Archie\'s fault for the dismal record the Saints had.

And in fairness to Brooks, he\'s been on teams with a terrible defense along with many more problems.

There\'s never been ONE QB who has got his team to the superbowl by himself. Wins/loses don\'t define the QB position. If it did, then Archie would have at least had us in the playoffs. Archie did play with some probowl guys on offense. But his O-line and the defense was just terrible. Kinda like this years version of the Saints.

JOESAM2002 · 12-31-2004, 02:11 PM

Gee, what a shock! :rollinglaugh:

saintswhodi · 12-31-2004, 03:32 PM

You read my mind JOESAM.

Brooks has superior stats

xrotflmao:

CHACHING · 12-31-2004, 04:20 PM

Why are you guys so hard on Gumbo?.............
Brooks is very good ......with the problems........who was better???......Tolliver??...Hobert?......Everett????

GumboBC · 12-31-2004, 04:25 PM

Why are you guys so hard on Gumbo?.............
Brooks is very good ......with the problems........who was better???......Tolliver??...Hobert?......Everett????

You noticed that, huh?

It\'s cool with me. It\'s just that I\'m a big Brooks\' supporter and they don\'t like that. And I call them on their anit-Brooks propaganda.

To hear some tell it ... if you support Brooks you\'re crazy.

Again, it\'s cool with me. I kind of encourage some of it. Makes things interesting.

ScottyRo · 12-31-2004, 04:33 PM

Everett wasn\'t the greatest QB ever, but we\'d have made the playoffs Ditka\'s first year if he\'d have kept Everett around. Otherwise...

It\'s terribly complicated to compare players from different NFL eras. I don\'t think you put up stats against stats in that situation and say one was better than another. I think the best clue as to who has been the Saints best QB is to look at how important each was to his team at the time and how long the team held on to him.

Using that criteria, I\'d have to go with Manning, for now.

CHACHING · 12-31-2004, 04:35 PM

I love Manning......my wife bought me his signed rookie card for christmas.........I would take Manning as the best...

GumboBC · 12-31-2004, 04:40 PM

It\'s been said many times on here that wins are all that matters when it comes to a QB. Now, in no way do I believe that and I don\'t think any sane person believes that.

But if you do, that leaves Archie out and make Hebert the best Saints QB ever.

Or if you go by \"BIG\" wins, that makes Brooks the best ever. He won the biggest game in Saints history.

I watched Archie play and he was very good. He also threw more ill advised INTs than Brooks has ever thought about throwing.

It really comes down to personal preferance. Archie sure didn\'t do anything that could be considered great.

Unless you call never having a winning season and throwing 125 TDs and 171 INTS great.

saintswhodi · 12-31-2004, 05:13 PM

Brooks has \"one off year\" because of a bad line and he gets a free pass, even though he has the best talent in Saints history around him.

Archie was the only player the Saints had during his time, and he is crap. Does Brooks pay you to be so blindly in love with him? It\'s scary. Seriously.

12-31-2004, 12:49 PM	#1
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Best Saints QB Ever With AB getting closer to holding most of the saints records and a first playoff win, is he the best Saints QB?

12-31-2004, 01:00 PM	#2
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Best Saints QB Ever Some will say Archie and some will say Brooks. Archie threw more INts than TDs and never made it to the playoffs. Brooks has superior stats and led this team to its only playoff victory. In fairness to Archie, he played on terrible teams. It was far from being Archie\'s fault for the dismal record the Saints had. And in fairness to Brooks, he\'s been on teams with a terrible defense along with many more problems. There\'s never been ONE QB who has got his team to the superbowl by himself. Wins/loses don\'t define the QB position. If it did, then Archie would have at least had us in the playoffs. Archie did play with some probowl guys on offense. But his O-line and the defense was just terrible. Kinda like this years version of the Saints.
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

12-31-2004, 02:11 PM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Best Saints QB Ever Gee, what a shock! :rollinglaugh:

12-31-2004, 03:32 PM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Best Saints QB Ever You read my mind JOESAM. Brooks has superior stats xrotflmao:

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CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Best Saints QB Ever Why are you guys so hard on Gumbo?............. Brooks is very good ......with the problems........who was better???......Tolliver??...Hobert?......Everett????

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12-31-2004, 04:25 PM	#6
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Best Saints QB Ever Why are you guys so hard on Gumbo?............. Brooks is very good ......with the problems........who was better???......Tolliver??...Hobert?......Everett???? You noticed that, huh? It\'s cool with me. It\'s just that I\'m a big Brooks\' supporter and they don\'t like that. And I call them on their anit-Brooks propaganda. To hear some tell it ... if you support Brooks you\'re crazy. Again, it\'s cool with me. I kind of encourage some of it. Makes things interesting.
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12-31-2004, 04:33 PM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Best Saints QB Ever Everett wasn\'t the greatest QB ever, but we\'d have made the playoffs Ditka\'s first year if he\'d have kept Everett around. Otherwise... It\'s terribly complicated to compare players from different NFL eras. I don\'t think you put up stats against stats in that situation and say one was better than another. I think the best clue as to who has been the Saints best QB is to look at how important each was to his team at the time and how long the team held on to him. Using that criteria, I\'d have to go with Manning, for now.

12-31-2004, 04:35 PM	#8
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Best Saints QB Ever I love Manning......my wife bought me his signed rookie card for christmas.........I would take Manning as the best...

12-31-2004, 04:40 PM	#9
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Best Saints QB Ever It\'s been said many times on here that wins are all that matters when it comes to a QB. Now, in no way do I believe that and I don\'t think any sane person believes that. But if you do, that leaves Archie out and make Hebert the best Saints QB ever. Or if you go by \"BIG\" wins, that makes Brooks the best ever. He won the biggest game in Saints history. I watched Archie play and he was very good. He also threw more ill advised INTs than Brooks has ever thought about throwing. It really comes down to personal preferance. Archie sure didn\'t do anything that could be considered great. Unless you call never having a winning season and throwing 125 TDs and 171 INTS great.
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12-31-2004, 05:13 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Best Saints QB Ever Brooks has \"one off year\" because of a bad line and he gets a free pass, even though he has the best talent in Saints history around him. Archie was the only player the Saints had during his time, and he is crap. Does Brooks pay you to be so blindly in love with him? It\'s scary. Seriously.