Dangerous time for the Non-Believers

Tobias-Reiper · 01-01-2005, 10:12 AM

... I don\'t understand the \"us vs them\", \"you are with us or against us\" mentality..

... after 5 years, this team should be be much better than it is now... but what we have seen in the past 4 years is a mediocrre team. Just looking at the Panthers injuries, the Saints SHOULD be the Panthers,,,

..it is the fact that, after 4 years with the same core, the Saints are still a + or - 1 .500 team with horrible defense and an inconsistent offense..

..sure the Saints can beat the Panthers tomorrow and go to the playoffs, heck even win one or two postseason games... but in a conference full of 1st-2nd year coaches, teams riddled with injuries, QB carousels, etc. it is more a testament to the mediocrity of the NFC than to the Saints being a good football team that they even have a chance to make it to the playoffs and actually win a game or two.. Heck they are playing a team that starter 1-7 and THEY can make it! Any other year, they would\'ve been out 5 weeks ago...

..and, the only thing this is going to bring, is complacency from the players, the coaches, and the front office... and next year we probably would have more of the same... I just hope that the entire NFC is just as bad as it is this year, so we have something to cheer for this late...

[Edited on 1/1/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

kevinn1972 · 01-01-2005, 10:31 AM

I think the biggest problem is that after so many years of raised expectations and crushed hopes, people are afraid to be too optimistic. I know I am. If the Saints ever win the big one, I\'ll strip naked and dance a jig down my street. But considering the history of this franchise, I think my neighbors are safe. Oh yeah, if we get in the playoffs, then Haslett has earned another year, but if not he should be taking the blame and be fired.

saintswhodi · 01-01-2005, 11:27 AM

dberce,

I think Gumbo just got my goat. The \"Aaron Brooks is above all reproach\" mentality drove me practically insane. But I had no idea what a Brooks lover I was up against, so it\'s best for me to direct my efforts elsewhere, or at least to someone who doesn\'t have the AB screen saver, background theme, fan club poster and pen set, towels, and key chain.

JOESAM2002 · 01-01-2005, 04:02 PM

whodi, take a chill pill.

JOESAM2002 · 01-01-2005, 04:32 PM

Gator,it always starts with 1. That one might as well be you.

This flaming is gonna get somebody\'s azz in trouble.

saintswhodi · 01-01-2005, 06:15 PM

No worries JoeSam. Industrial sized chill pills came in my New Year\'s party pack. I have taken them all. It\'s not something I will even get worked up over any more. Thanks for the warning. I am straight, truly.

WhoDat · 01-01-2005, 10:35 PM

I don\'t think there\'s any doubt some fans want Brooks and Haslett gone. And I think you\'re one of \'em. There\'s nothing in the world wrong with feeling that way.

I personally think you might be jumping the gun a little bit and overreacting.

Jumping the gun!!!! LMAO. Five years is still too early?!?! I\'ve asked this question over and over - you answered after last season when you said Haslett should be fired. Now you\'re back to saying it\'s still too early. Is 25 years enough time Billy? If they go 8-8 next season and miss the playoffs by one game, then will it be enough time? Ridiculous.

mutineer10 · 01-02-2005, 05:30 AM

I\'d like nothing more than for Brooks to shut that talk down and force some of you to go onto another subject.

Not jumping on you, Billy, but I think most all of us would like Brooks to shut us up. Therein lies the problem...

I\'ve not been shy with my Brooks-bashing in the past, though I\'ve tried to keep it at a minimum lately. Not because we\'ve won three games and I\'m suddenly a bandwagon-jumper, but because I\'m aware folks are getting tired of it.

Of course we want the Saints to do well, and thereby we want AB to do well. Heck, I wish he\'d play like a resurrected Joe Namath and take us all the way! The problem, and the reason so many of us are on his back all the time, is that he isn\'t playing well. His recent comments in the media are no help.

The point is, if AB would earn his keep by playing like he\'s paid to, I think most of us would be more than happy to shut up about him. I\'m perfectly willing to admit when I\'m wrong, but I\'m still waiting on AB to prove that.

If it happens Sunday, I\'ll be happy...

[Edited on 2/1/2005 by mutineer10]

CHACHING · 01-02-2005, 08:43 AM

Perfectly said Mutineer........I think Aaron needs to remain quiet and let his arm do the talking.
If you want the fans to shut up......
YOU SHUT THEM UP!!!!!
Owens said it best....\"if you don\'t want me to celebrate ,keep me put of the end zone\".....

01-01-2005, 10:12 AM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers ... I don\'t understand the \"us vs them\", \"you are with us or against us\" mentality.. ... after 5 years, this team should be be much better than it is now... but what we have seen in the past 4 years is a mediocrre team. Just looking at the Panthers injuries, the Saints SHOULD be the Panthers,,, ..it is the fact that, after 4 years with the same core, the Saints are still a + or - 1 .500 team with horrible defense and an inconsistent offense.. ..sure the Saints can beat the Panthers tomorrow and go to the playoffs, heck even win one or two postseason games... but in a conference full of 1st-2nd year coaches, teams riddled with injuries, QB carousels, etc. it is more a testament to the mediocrity of the NFC than to the Saints being a good football team that they even have a chance to make it to the playoffs and actually win a game or two.. Heck they are playing a team that starter 1-7 and THEY can make it! Any other year, they would\'ve been out 5 weeks ago... ..and, the only thing this is going to bring, is complacency from the players, the coaches, and the front office... and next year we probably would have more of the same... I just hope that the entire NFC is just as bad as it is this year, so we have something to cheer for this late... [Edited on 1/1/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]
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01-01-2005, 10:31 AM	#12
kevinn1972 Registered Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 71	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers I think the biggest problem is that after so many years of raised expectations and crushed hopes, people are afraid to be too optimistic. I know I am. If the Saints ever win the big one, I\'ll strip naked and dance a jig down my street. But considering the history of this franchise, I think my neighbors are safe. Oh yeah, if we get in the playoffs, then Haslett has earned another year, but if not he should be taking the blame and be fired.

01-01-2005, 11:27 AM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers dberce, I think Gumbo just got my goat. The \"Aaron Brooks is above all reproach\" mentality drove me practically insane. But I had no idea what a Brooks lover I was up against, so it\'s best for me to direct my efforts elsewhere, or at least to someone who doesn\'t have the AB screen saver, background theme, fan club poster and pen set, towels, and key chain.

01-01-2005, 04:02 PM	#14
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers whodi, take a chill pill.

01-01-2005, 04:32 PM	#15
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers Gator,it always starts with 1. That one might as well be you. This flaming is gonna get somebody\'s azz in trouble.

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01-01-2005, 06:15 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers No worries JoeSam. Industrial sized chill pills came in my New Year\'s party pack. I have taken them all. It\'s not something I will even get worked up over any more. Thanks for the warning. I am straight, truly.

01-01-2005, 10:35 PM	#17
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers I don\'t think there\'s any doubt some fans want Brooks and Haslett gone. And I think you\'re one of \'em. There\'s nothing in the world wrong with feeling that way. I personally think you might be jumping the gun a little bit and overreacting. Jumping the gun!!!! LMAO. Five years is still too early?!?! I\'ve asked this question over and over - you answered after last season when you said Haslett should be fired. Now you\'re back to saying it\'s still too early. Is 25 years enough time Billy? If they go 8-8 next season and miss the playoffs by one game, then will it be enough time? Ridiculous.
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01-02-2005, 05:30 AM	#18
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers I\'d like nothing more than for Brooks to shut that talk down and force some of you to go onto another subject. Not jumping on you, Billy, but I think most all of us would like Brooks to shut us up. Therein lies the problem... I\'ve not been shy with my Brooks-bashing in the past, though I\'ve tried to keep it at a minimum lately. Not because we\'ve won three games and I\'m suddenly a bandwagon-jumper, but because I\'m aware folks are getting tired of it. Of course we want the Saints to do well, and thereby we want AB to do well. Heck, I wish he\'d play like a resurrected Joe Namath and take us all the way! The problem, and the reason so many of us are on his back all the time, is that he isn\'t playing well. His recent comments in the media are no help. The point is, if AB would earn his keep by playing like he\'s paid to, I think most of us would be more than happy to shut up about him. I\'m perfectly willing to admit when I\'m wrong, but I\'m still waiting on AB to prove that. If it happens Sunday, I\'ll be happy... [Edited on 2/1/2005 by mutineer10]

01-02-2005, 08:43 AM	#19
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Dangerous time for the Non-Believers Perfectly said Mutineer........I think Aaron needs to remain quiet and let his arm do the talking. If you want the fans to shut up...... YOU SHUT THEM UP!!!!! Owens said it best....\"if you don\'t want me to celebrate ,keep me put of the end zone\".....