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dizzle88 11-10-2014 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 624008)
Brees doesn't consistently make mistakes, the fact that people are blaming him is comical...this man passed for 5,000 yards with a mediocre receiving corps and gets no respect....Corey White comes out publicly and says he'd rather be a nickleback instead of a starting corner....Vaccaro only had 6 interceptions his whole college career so we knew that wasn't happening in the pros....but we blame Brees????
Are you saying he doesn't deserve any blame at all?

Because 12 turnovers in 9 weeks begs to differ.

ikecomp 11-10-2014 11:18 AM
Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season
 
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 624003)
and why is that. when vacarro mess up we ready to trade him. when robinson gets burned we ready to hold his check. our defensive front line dont get to the qb we ready for the draft. drew f'n brees f-up and its not solely his fault. he threw a redzone pick, he threw a pick on our end of the field giving the 9ers great field position. he overthrew a would be td. to stills or cooks (i cant remeber). now do he make some big plays hell yeah he did, but our defense did as well and all i see some people say is the 4th and 10 play.
You just made my point. People like to look at one play and say that cost us the game. I could easily say if graham keeps his hands closer to his body on the push off we win the game. I could say if colston makes that 40 yard TD catch before half time brees doesn't have the opportunity to throw a int into triple coverage.

The fact of the matter is that I would be wrong. It takes a team to win and a team to lose. Drew will have his great moments (spin from a sure sack and throw a TD) and his bad moments (force a ball into triple coverage) like every other part of our team. It's those collective team moments that produce wins and losses and collectively this team isn't very good.

The one consistent problem I've seen all year (which is a team thing) is that we struggle closing tight games. Once again, closing football games is what separates good teams from mediocre teams. Right now we're a mediocre team at best.

blackangold 11-10-2014 11:34 AM
Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season
 
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Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 624008)
Brees doesn't consistently make mistakes, the fact that people are blaming him is comical...this man passed for 5,000 yards with a mediocre receiving corps and gets no respect....Corey White comes out publicly and says he'd rather be a nickleback instead of a starting corner....Vaccaro only had 6 interceptions his whole college career so we knew that wasn't happening in the pros....but we blame Brees????
Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine.

Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year.

I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat.

ikecomp 11-10-2014 11:56 AM
Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season
 
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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 624014)
Brees is on pace for 24 turnovers this year... Has public stated he lost 2 games based on his own play, his words not mine.

Everyone deserves some blame but Brees is the face of the team, just like he owns the success he owns the failures. He has not played well this year, note I said this year.

I am a Saints fan first, I like drew, but if we could swap him for Rogers, Brady or Manning I would take that in a heart beat.
That's crazy. I actually would take brees over all those guys. The only thing I would swap with those guys is their TD/INT ratio. That's really the only difference this year. Drew needs to cut down on the turnovers.

K Major 11-10-2014 12:11 PM
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Ahmad Brooks = Saints drive killer.

Credit 49ers for finding a way to win... good teams do this, even with backups (Willis/Aldon Smith/Bavarro ALL OUT) etc.

3 TURNOVERS at this level = L

Barry from MS 11-10-2014 12:17 PM
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No one player by themselves can win/lose a ball game over 60-75 minutes of game time. In the spirit of this thread, this is the most I've seen Drew turn the ball over since he got here. WR's, RB's & TE's share some blame? Sure. O-Line share some blame? Sure. Play-calling share some blame? Sure.

Kinda knew what kind of day we were all in for with the 1st two offensive possessions...

1st possession: 1 completion/3 attempts for 2 yards with 1 INT
2nd possession: 0 completions/1 attempt for 0 yards (3-and-out)

He rebounded nicely with 3 TDs, but his 2 INTs and his lost fumble helped kill that "W" for us.

ikecomp 11-10-2014 01:37 PM
Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season
 
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 624026)
me personally agree with the notiion we win as a team and we lose as a team. i just hate it when some players play bad, we're all over them. they need to be traded, they need to be cut, they dont deserve their paycheck etc etc. its just strikes me when it comes to drew f'n brees when he f's up, we got all these excuses, it was the drop passes, its the ol, etc etc. its like we dont want to say he's the reason. now is he the reason all the time heck no, but yesterday i'm giving drew brees all the blame for that loss. by george these elite qb's get all the credit when we win but rarely take any of the blame when we lose.
I actually agree with most of your points. I'm the first to say I've been guilty of that in the past but as I've watched this season I've noticed brees won't be the sole reason we win or the sole reason we lose regardless of the size of his paycheck. Plus, unlike some qb's he's actually come out in the media and taken all the responsibility for a couple of losses even though it wasn't all him. He even said he agreed with the crowd booing him for throwing the pick before halftime. How many other qb's would've lashed out at the fans for booing.

I'm just saying, we should stop thinking brees or any player is the reason we won or the reason we lost. If we try to get rid of players that "cost us the game" every week we won't have any players left.

Barry from MS 11-10-2014 01:58 PM
Re: Turn-over prone Drew Brees can turn around season
 
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Originally Posted by teddybarexxx (Post 624031)
...none of this win as a team, lose as a team crap was being said. all i saw "some posters" say is oh robinson suck, vacarro cant cover, galette and jordan cant get to the qb, which all may have been true at that time however where's the win as a team lose as a team theory. now when drew messes up, we just cant blame him and my question is why is that!..
Been saying win/lose as a team since little league. It's easy to assess immediate blame saying "The refs jobbed us of a win!" or "Corey White screwed us out of a win" or "The freakin' kicker missed which is why we lost".

It takes little to no effort of thought to say and assess such absolutes.


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