Same... Old... Saints...

WhoDat · 01-02-2005, 04:44 PM

While I'm surprised and delighted to see the Saints late season surge, and a little character out of this team, this is the same old Saints. I have no doubt that after today's win there will be no shortage of fans defending this team and its players and coaches. Not sure I can blame you.

Of course, if you put all emotions aside and look at what this team has done, you'll see it ain't much. For the second straight year it finds itself 8-8 and one game out of the playoffs. For the fourth straight year they are one game within .500 and home in January. The offense is still inconsistent - explosive one week, or on one drive, and then terrible on the next. The defense showed improvement along the line and at corner somewhat, but ultimately, it's still last in the league.

As a result, what will change? Probably nothing. I doubt Loomis, Haslett, or McCarthy will go anywhere. Venturi may stay.

I have no doubt people will say, yeah but it's different this time. Look at the late season rally they had (against losing teams and ATL's backups). Look at the character when faced with adversity - they went from 4-8 to 8-8!! Kind of like when they went from what, 2-5 to 8-8 last season?

I'm sure no one will remember, and many who do will rationalize and make what only equate to excuses, but all those things fans of this team demanded in the offseason was a winning season and the playoffs. Again they didn't have either of their demands met, and I predict as usual, everyone will back off of those demands. As usual, fans of this team will be satisfied with mediocrity and predictions for next season that are more likely than not only pipe dreams.

From 4-8 to 8-8... one of the best meaningless turn-arounds I've seen in a while.

Now come one, come all BnGers and rationalize once again why the coaching staff and front office personnel deserve to stay. Announce again all the reasons why next season really really really really really will be the one we finally do right this time for real I promise.

Jim Haslett get this year's "Dave Wanstadt Coach Award"... again. Is there another active head coach who hasn't made the playoffs in 4 years?

BrooksMustGo · 01-02-2005, 04:52 PM

Take a bite off the bitter stick today WhoDat?

G504 · 01-02-2005, 05:03 PM

Yeah, we obviously have our problems. And consistancy seems to be the main one. And that\'s a buck that should stop at the coaches desk. I still say it\'s time to go coach shopping.

Danno · 01-02-2005, 05:11 PM

While I\'m surprised and delighted to see the Saints late season surge,

Uhh, weren\'t you the ringleader of hoping we\'d lose out?
Hmmm. Interesting comment

I have no doubt that after today\'s win there will be no shortage of fans defending this team and its players and coaches. Not sure I can blame you.

But I\'m sure you eventually will.

Of course, if you put all emotions aside and look at what this team has done, you\'ll see it ain\'t much.

I\'ll agree with that.

As a result, what will change? Probably nothing. I doubt Loomis, Haslett, or McCarthy will go anywhere. Venturi may stay.

WhoDat, I hope you\'re wrong. It\'ll be sad sor all of us if you\'re right on this.

I have no doubt people will say, yeah but it\'s different this time. Look at the late season rally they had (against losing teams and ATL\'s backups)

Uhh, who exactly are you talking about here? 99% of Saints fans won\'t say that.

Look at the character when faced with adversity - they went from 4-8 to 8-8!! Kind of like when they went from what, 2-5 to 8-8 last season?

A solid achievement, but hardly an excuse for an underachieving team. You are right though, approximatley 1% of Saints fans will harp about that, allowing you and a minute few to erroneously scream \"I told you so\" for six months.

As usual, fans of this team will be satisfied with mediocrity and predictions for next season that are more likely than not only pipe dreams. From 4-8 to 8-8... one of the best meaningless turn-arounds I\'ve seen in a while.

Yea, I\'ve heard a lot of people say \"yea. I\'m OK with mediocrity\"
Gimme a freakin break WhoDat. You got more game than this don\'t ya?

Now come one, come all BnGers and rationalize once again why the coaching staff and front office personnel deserve to stay. Announce again all the reasons why next season really really really really really will be the one we finally do right this time for real I promise.
Jim Haslett get this year\'s \"Dave Wanstadt Coach Award\"... again. Is there another active head coach who hasn\'t made the playoffs in 4 years?

OK you wanna tell me who said this wasn\'t a make or break year for this staff? C\'mon WhoDat, just name one person.
Just ONE is all I ask. Or are you just bitter about your erroneous 10-6 projection? which BTW was also mine.

Danno · 01-02-2005, 05:52 PM

tick tick tick

Danno · 01-02-2005, 05:55 PM

I don\'t care if you have the absolute perfect avatar,
Inquiring minds are waiting. :sleeping:

[Edited on 2/1/2005 by Danno]

Danno · 01-02-2005, 06:47 PM

-Crickets chirping---
-tumble weeds... well... tumbling---

[Edited on 3/1/2005 by Danno]

WhoDat · 01-02-2005, 08:42 PM

Sorry for the delay... did you smoke some crack this afternoon Danno?

Kinda hyper. Your comments seem a little defensive - my post wasn\'t directed at you... or anyone for that matter. Anyway...

Uhh, weren\'t you the ringleader of hoping we\'d lose out?
Hmmm. Interesting comment

Not really all that interesting. Many people on this board assumed that b/c I said that I thought it best for the Saints to lose out that I was a Saint-hater. Emotionally, I always want them to win - sometimes you just have to put logic above heart. It\'s like feeling bad watching your kid get a flu shot. You feel terrible for subjecting him to a painful and traumatic event, but you do it for his own good. Same idea.

Uhh, who exactly are you talking about here? 99% of Saints fans won\'t say that.

I guess time will tell. I cannot prove something will happen just as you cannot prove it will not. I can, however, point to the growing number of people on this board and in the media who seem content with saying, \"Well, maybe it\'s not Haslett.\" Maybe he has \"coach-killer\" players. Maybe he\'s just got a terrible GM or bad assistants. Maybe we should get rid of them and keep him. Do you disagree that has happened over the last month? I don\'t think he is deserving, that\'s my point, but I\'m sure people will forget the past this offseason like they seem to do every year.

A solid achievement, but hardly an excuse for an underachieving team. You are right though, approximatley 1% of Saints fans will harp about that, allowing you and a minute few to erroneously scream \"I told you so\" for six months.

This is what I\'m talking about. Why are you slinging one this way, I\'m not coming at you. I do think your 99% number is about 49% off, but like I said, time will tell.

Yea, I\'ve heard a lot of people say \"yea. I\'m OK with mediocrity\"
Gimme a freakin break WhoDat. You got more game than this don\'t ya?

Please Danno. Are you telling me that people on this board, yourself included, have not used injuries, fatigue, youth, locker room discontent, and even luck to rationalize why the Saints have been mediocre year in and year out? After the first year, it\'s understandable. After the second you have to at least be hesitant. After the third if you don\'t start seeing the \"rationale\" as \"excuses\" and start demanding wins then yes, I say you are content with mediocrity.

OK you wanna tell me who said this wasn\'t a make or break year for this staff? C\'mon WhoDat, just name one person.
Just ONE is all I ask. Or are you just bitter about your erroneous 10-6 projection? which BTW was also mine.

Saintfan. Challenge met. But that wasn\'t the point. You missed it entirely. EVERYONE said it was a make or break year BEFORE the season. It will be interesting to see how many people actually stick by that. Few I think. Or let me put it another way Danno, are you in favor then of a complete house-cleaning? You think Haslett should go along with the rest?

[Edited on 3/1/2005 by WhoDat]

BrooksMustGo · 01-02-2005, 08:59 PM

A LOT of folks were calling this a make or break year for Haz, from both sides of the divide as I recall.

mutineer10 · 01-02-2005, 11:22 PM

A LOT of folks were calling this a make or break year for Haz, from both sides of the divide as I recall.

Kinda funny, 8 MAKES and 8 BREAKS. Don\'t guess that was what we were looking for, huh?

01-02-2005, 04:44 PM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Same... Old... Saints... While I'm surprised and delighted to see the Saints late season surge, and a little character out of this team, this is the same old Saints. I have no doubt that after today's win there will be no shortage of fans defending this team and its players and coaches. Not sure I can blame you. Of course, if you put all emotions aside and look at what this team has done, you'll see it ain't much. For the second straight year it finds itself 8-8 and one game out of the playoffs. For the fourth straight year they are one game within .500 and home in January. The offense is still inconsistent - explosive one week, or on one drive, and then terrible on the next. The defense showed improvement along the line and at corner somewhat, but ultimately, it's still last in the league. As a result, what will change? Probably nothing. I doubt Loomis, Haslett, or McCarthy will go anywhere. Venturi may stay. I have no doubt people will say, yeah but it's different this time. Look at the late season rally they had (against losing teams and ATL's backups). Look at the character when faced with adversity - they went from 4-8 to 8-8!! Kind of like when they went from what, 2-5 to 8-8 last season? I'm sure no one will remember, and many who do will rationalize and make what only equate to excuses, but all those things fans of this team demanded in the offseason was a winning season and the playoffs. Again they didn't have either of their demands met, and I predict as usual, everyone will back off of those demands. As usual, fans of this team will be satisfied with mediocrity and predictions for next season that are more likely than not only pipe dreams. From 4-8 to 8-8... one of the best meaningless turn-arounds I've seen in a while. Now come one, come all BnGers and rationalize once again why the coaching staff and front office personnel deserve to stay. Announce again all the reasons why next season really really really really really will be the one we finally do right this time for real I promise. Jim Haslett get this year's "Dave Wanstadt Coach Award"... again. Is there another active head coach who hasn't made the playoffs in 4 years?
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01-02-2005, 04:52 PM	#2
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Same... Old... Saints... Take a bite off the bitter stick today WhoDat?

01-02-2005, 05:03 PM	#3
G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	Same... Old... Saints... Yeah, we obviously have our problems. And consistancy seems to be the main one. And that\'s a buck that should stop at the coaches desk. I still say it\'s time to go coach shopping.

01-02-2005, 05:11 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Same... Old... Saints... While I\'m surprised and delighted to see the Saints late season surge, Uhh, weren\'t you the ringleader of hoping we\'d lose out? Hmmm. Interesting comment I have no doubt that after today\'s win there will be no shortage of fans defending this team and its players and coaches. Not sure I can blame you. But I\'m sure you eventually will. Of course, if you put all emotions aside and look at what this team has done, you\'ll see it ain\'t much. I\'ll agree with that. As a result, what will change? Probably nothing. I doubt Loomis, Haslett, or McCarthy will go anywhere. Venturi may stay. WhoDat, I hope you\'re wrong. It\'ll be sad sor all of us if you\'re right on this. I have no doubt people will say, yeah but it\'s different this time. Look at the late season rally they had (against losing teams and ATL\'s backups) Uhh, who exactly are you talking about here? 99% of Saints fans won\'t say that. Look at the character when faced with adversity - they went from 4-8 to 8-8!! Kind of like when they went from what, 2-5 to 8-8 last season? A solid achievement, but hardly an excuse for an underachieving team. You are right though, approximatley 1% of Saints fans will harp about that, allowing you and a minute few to erroneously scream \"I told you so\" for six months. As usual, fans of this team will be satisfied with mediocrity and predictions for next season that are more likely than not only pipe dreams. From 4-8 to 8-8... one of the best meaningless turn-arounds I\'ve seen in a while. Yea, I\'ve heard a lot of people say \"yea. I\'m OK with mediocrity\" Gimme a freakin break WhoDat. You got more game than this don\'t ya? Now come one, come all BnGers and rationalize once again why the coaching staff and front office personnel deserve to stay. Announce again all the reasons why next season really really really really really will be the one we finally do right this time for real I promise. Jim Haslett get this year\'s \"Dave Wanstadt Coach Award\"... again. Is there another active head coach who hasn\'t made the playoffs in 4 years? OK you wanna tell me who said this wasn\'t a make or break year for this staff? C\'mon WhoDat, just name one person. Just ONE is all I ask. Or are you just bitter about your erroneous 10-6 projection? which BTW was also mine.

01-02-2005, 05:52 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Same... Old... Saints... tick tick tick

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01-02-2005, 05:55 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Same... Old... Saints... I don\'t care if you have the absolute perfect avatar, Inquiring minds are waiting. :sleeping: [Edited on 2/1/2005 by Danno]

01-02-2005, 06:47 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Same... Old... Saints... -Crickets chirping--- -tumble weeds... well... tumbling--- [Edited on 3/1/2005 by Danno]

01-02-2005, 08:42 PM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Same... Old... Saints... Sorry for the delay... did you smoke some crack this afternoon Danno? Kinda hyper. Your comments seem a little defensive - my post wasn\'t directed at you... or anyone for that matter. Anyway... Uhh, weren\'t you the ringleader of hoping we\'d lose out? Hmmm. Interesting comment Not really all that interesting. Many people on this board assumed that b/c I said that I thought it best for the Saints to lose out that I was a Saint-hater. Emotionally, I always want them to win - sometimes you just have to put logic above heart. It\'s like feeling bad watching your kid get a flu shot. You feel terrible for subjecting him to a painful and traumatic event, but you do it for his own good. Same idea. Uhh, who exactly are you talking about here? 99% of Saints fans won\'t say that. I guess time will tell. I cannot prove something will happen just as you cannot prove it will not. I can, however, point to the growing number of people on this board and in the media who seem content with saying, \"Well, maybe it\'s not Haslett.\" Maybe he has \"coach-killer\" players. Maybe he\'s just got a terrible GM or bad assistants. Maybe we should get rid of them and keep him. Do you disagree that has happened over the last month? I don\'t think he is deserving, that\'s my point, but I\'m sure people will forget the past this offseason like they seem to do every year. A solid achievement, but hardly an excuse for an underachieving team. You are right though, approximatley 1% of Saints fans will harp about that, allowing you and a minute few to erroneously scream \"I told you so\" for six months. This is what I\'m talking about. Why are you slinging one this way, I\'m not coming at you. I do think your 99% number is about 49% off, but like I said, time will tell. Yea, I\'ve heard a lot of people say \"yea. I\'m OK with mediocrity\" Gimme a freakin break WhoDat. You got more game than this don\'t ya? Please Danno. Are you telling me that people on this board, yourself included, have not used injuries, fatigue, youth, locker room discontent, and even luck to rationalize why the Saints have been mediocre year in and year out? After the first year, it\'s understandable. After the second you have to at least be hesitant. After the third if you don\'t start seeing the \"rationale\" as \"excuses\" and start demanding wins then yes, I say you are content with mediocrity. OK you wanna tell me who said this wasn\'t a make or break year for this staff? C\'mon WhoDat, just name one person. Just ONE is all I ask. Or are you just bitter about your erroneous 10-6 projection? which BTW was also mine. Saintfan. Challenge met. But that wasn\'t the point. You missed it entirely. EVERYONE said it was a make or break year BEFORE the season. It will be interesting to see how many people actually stick by that. Few I think. Or let me put it another way Danno, are you in favor then of a complete house-cleaning? You think Haslett should go along with the rest? [Edited on 3/1/2005 by WhoDat]
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-02-2005, 08:59 PM	#9
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Same... Old... Saints... A LOT of folks were calling this a make or break year for Haz, from both sides of the divide as I recall.

01-02-2005, 11:22 PM	#10
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Same... Old... Saints... A LOT of folks were calling this a make or break year for Haz, from both sides of the divide as I recall. Kinda funny, 8 MAKES and 8 BREAKS. Don\'t guess that was what we were looking for, huh?