After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled

halloween 65 · 11-22-2014, 07:22 AM

I agree about needing to fix our O-line,but Brees has thrown behind WR's alot, this has me worried, say pressure or whatever but pressure wasn't there on alot of those behind throws or all the int's either.

saintsfan1976 · 11-22-2014, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

If we had sproles Brees would feel more comfort in the check down...

With Sproles we would be 6-4 right now... he was worth at least two games. Awful move considering Brees has never been with out a scat back (Bush and Sproles).

6.2 yds per play. I'd say Brees is comfortable checking down.

blackangold · 11-22-2014, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

6.2 yds per play. I'd say Brees is comfortable checking down.

How many of those are designed by our **** play calling?

Sproles turned the check down into first downs.

jlouhill · 11-22-2014, 10:42 AM

I don't usually agree with much Prisco says but I agree it starts with the O-line. I know Drew has made some bone-head decisions this year but I think he just doesn't have confidence that he's going to get the time he needs to dissect a defense and has a kneejerk reaction at times. Kind of anticipating the pressure before it even gets there.

saintsfan1976 · 11-22-2014, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How many of those are designed by our **** play calling?

Sproles turned the check down into first downs.

Play calling is no different than last year. Difference is getting pressure with 4 rushers and limiting Drew's options. Sproles wouldn't change that.

Now if you'd have said missing PT has cost us some versatility this year, I'd agree with that for sure.

dizzle88 · 11-22-2014, 11:05 AM

But if Brees was forcing passes downfield and getting picked, we'd all be screaming for him to take the check downs instead

The difference is - Cadet is not Darren sproles, he is nowhere near as fast or elusive and sproles for a small guy had a ton of power, cadet is skinny and brings literally nothing to our team

Danno · 11-22-2014, 11:19 AM

Cadet didn't replace Sproles. He was simply going to take some more snaps.

BTW, Sproles was nothing special last year in our offense. Cadet's receiving numbers are about the same as Sproles' were last year. They're both averaging about 8-1/2 yards per catch.

dizzle88 · 11-22-2014, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cadet didn't replace Sproles. He was simply going to take some more snaps.

BTW, Sproles was nothing special last year in our offense. Cadet's receiving numbers are about the same as Sproles' were last year. They're both averaging about 8-1/2 yards per catch.

I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though
Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment

I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles
Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years.

blackangold · 11-22-2014, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though
Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment

I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles
Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years.

Cadet is more of a threat to fumble than he is to score...

blackangold · 11-22-2014, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Play calling is no different than last year. Difference is getting pressure with 4 rushers and limiting Drew's options. Sproles wouldn't change that.

Now if you'd have said missing PT has cost us some versatility this year, I'd agree with that for sure.

I agree on the PT point, hope he is back this week.

I would like our play calling to be more in-line with the 2011 season, but it's just not. Better protection is definitely a need as Goodwin and Grubbs awful play makes Drew rush the pass, Evans is looking rather average as well.

11-22-2014, 07:22 AM	#11
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled I agree about needing to fix our O-line,but Brees has thrown behind WR's alot, this has me worried, say pressure or whatever but pressure wasn't there on alot of those behind throws or all the int's either.

11-22-2014, 07:47 AM	#12
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by blackangold If we had sproles Brees would feel more comfort in the check down... With Sproles we would be 6-4 right now... he was worth at least two games. Awful move considering Brees has never been with out a scat back (Bush and Sproles). 6.2 yds per play. I'd say Brees is comfortable checking down.

11-22-2014, 09:48 AM	#13
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 6.2 yds per play. I'd say Brees is comfortable checking down. How many of those are designed by our **** play calling? Sproles turned the check down into first downs.

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jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled I don't usually agree with much Prisco says but I agree it starts with the O-line. I know Drew has made some bone-head decisions this year but I think he just doesn't have confidence that he's going to get the time he needs to dissect a defense and has a kneejerk reaction at times. Kind of anticipating the pressure before it even gets there. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by blackangold How many of those are designed by our **** play calling? Sproles turned the check down into first downs. Play calling is no different than last year. Difference is getting pressure with 4 rushers and limiting Drew's options. Sproles wouldn't change that. Now if you'd have said missing PT has cost us some versatility this year, I'd agree with that for sure. captainshawn likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled But if Brees was forcing passes downfield and getting picked, we'd all be screaming for him to take the check downs instead The difference is - Cadet is not Darren sproles, he is nowhere near as fast or elusive and sproles for a small guy had a ton of power, cadet is skinny and brings literally nothing to our team

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Cadet didn't replace Sproles. He was simply going to take some more snaps. BTW, Sproles was nothing special last year in our offense. Cadet's receiving numbers are about the same as Sproles' were last year. They're both averaging about 8-1/2 yards per catch.

11-22-2014, 11:29 AM	#18
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by Danno Cadet didn't replace Sproles. He was simply going to take some more snaps. BTW, Sproles was nothing special last year in our offense. Cadet's receiving numbers are about the same as Sproles' were last year. They're both averaging about 8-1/2 yards per catch. I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by dizzle88 I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years. Cadet is more of a threat to fumble than he is to score... Barry from MS and dizzle88 like this.

11-22-2014, 12:12 PM	#20
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Play calling is no different than last year. Difference is getting pressure with 4 rushers and limiting Drew's options. Sproles wouldn't change that. Now if you'd have said missing PT has cost us some versatility this year, I'd agree with that for sure. I agree on the PT point, hope he is back this week. I would like our play calling to be more in-line with the 2011 season, but it's just not. Better protection is definitely a need as Goodwin and Grubbs awful play makes Drew rush the pass, Evans is looking rather average as well.

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