After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled

dizzle88 · 11-22-2014, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Cadet didn't replace Sproles. He was simply going to take some more snaps.

BTW, Sproles was nothing special last year in our offense. Cadet's receiving numbers are about the same as Sproles' were last year. They're both averaging about 8-1/2 yards per catch.

I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though
Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment

I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles
Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years.

blackangold · 11-22-2014, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though
Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment

I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles
Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years.

Cadet is more of a threat to fumble than he is to score...

dizzle88 · 11-22-2014, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Cadet is more of a threat to fumble than he is to score...

Haha exactly!

jnormand · 11-22-2014, 11:15 AM

I don't know what happened to Grubbs and Evans. Last year they were both solid and now they are struggling to be average at best. I understand getting older, but that's a very sudden drop off. Conditioning maybe?

DrewDat · 11-22-2014, 12:27 PM

As much as I love sproles he can be an offense killer....the fact that he had one great year with us then he wasn't much help...look at McCoy in Philly, that team is looking for the big play so much with sproles that they're taking reps and plays from arguably one of the top 3 running backs coming into this season

blackangold · 11-22-2014, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

As much as I love sproles he can be an offense killer....the fact that he had one great year with us then he wasn't much help...look at McCoy in Philly, that team is looking for the big play so much with sproles that they're taking reps and plays from arguably one of the top 3 running backs coming into this season

I blame that more on Mccoy and the lack of blocking, mind you defenses have adapted to the Kelly offense. Could have seen the 2nd year decline for Kelly coming a mile away.

Barry from MS · 11-22-2014, 12:34 PM

Play-calling is stale...it no longer has that "innovative & explosive" stigma to it anymore.

The O-line doesn't help, especially at Center, as that 0.5 extra second matters with down-the-field passing with inside pass rush. Our 2 best games with pass protection against GB & Car had Lelito parked at Center...how bizarre?

Still saying Carmichael should have been given play-calling duties before the season started.

Danno · 11-22-2014, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Play-calling is stale...it no longer has that "innovative & explosive" stigma to it anymore.

The O-line doesn't help, especially at Center, as that 0.5 extra second matters with down-the-field passing with inside pass rush. Our 2 best games with pass protection against GB & Car had Lelito parked at Center...how bizarre?

Yeah, I just don't understand the Goodwin/Lelito thing. I know the coaches know more than all of us put together, but thats a headscratcher to me. When Lelito is in we look good, when Goodwin starts, not so much.

lee909 · 11-22-2014, 01:27 PM

I have no issur with moving Sproles on. Far too often last year he was being hit as he received the ball. He was getting beat up and as soon as he was on the field teams knew it was a passing first. The issue has been PT not being fit and Stills missing early parts of the season. Stills and Thomas on the field will make a difference as Stills speed needs respected and Thomas will get the yards needed on check downs.

I think the teams needs new ideas and new blood we have also been unlucky as the offense has hardly had a game fully fit. Goodwin, Thomas, Robinson and Stills all been out. Streif hurt and now Cooks to IR and some talk Robinson could be out all season.

I was behind Goodwin coming back after not getting a C in the draft but we need to stop changing eho plays and just give Lelito the job and see if he can handle it for next year.

Rugby Saint II · 11-22-2014, 02:23 PM

We should have gone with the top center last year......maybe the top two centers.lol

11-22-2014, 10:29 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by Danno Cadet didn't replace Sproles. He was simply going to take some more snaps. BTW, Sproles was nothing special last year in our offense. Cadet's receiving numbers are about the same as Sproles' were last year. They're both averaging about 8-1/2 yards per catch. I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years.

11-22-2014, 11:09 AM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by dizzle88 I think we'd also need to factor in the effect that sproles had on defenses though Agreed he was not great last year, nowhere near his 2011 form but even if he wasn't the primary receiver he made an outstanding decoy because he was a threat to take it the distance at any moment I personally don't think teams fear Cadet like they did sproles Plus with teams getting pressure against us sending 4 guys, they can drop 7 back into coverage - the same reason Brees has struggled against teams like the rams for years. Cadet is more of a threat to fumble than he is to score... Barry from MS and dizzle88 like this.

11-22-2014, 11:33 AM	#3
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by blackangold Cadet is more of a threat to fumble than he is to score... Haha exactly!

11-22-2014, 11:15 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,745	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled I don't know what happened to Grubbs and Evans. Last year they were both solid and now they are struggling to be average at best. I understand getting older, but that's a very sudden drop off. Conditioning maybe?

11-22-2014, 12:27 PM	#5
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled As much as I love sproles he can be an offense killer....the fact that he had one great year with us then he wasn't much help...look at McCoy in Philly, that team is looking for the big play so much with sproles that they're taking reps and plays from arguably one of the top 3 running backs coming into this season

11-22-2014, 12:30 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by DrewDat As much as I love sproles he can be an offense killer....the fact that he had one great year with us then he wasn't much help...look at McCoy in Philly, that team is looking for the big play so much with sproles that they're taking reps and plays from arguably one of the top 3 running backs coming into this season I blame that more on Mccoy and the lack of blocking, mind you defenses have adapted to the Kelly offense. Could have seen the 2nd year decline for Kelly coming a mile away.

11-22-2014, 12:34 PM	#7
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Play-calling is stale...it no longer has that "innovative & explosive" stigma to it anymore. The O-line doesn't help, especially at Center, as that 0.5 extra second matters with down-the-field passing with inside pass rush. Our 2 best games with pass protection against GB & Car had Lelito parked at Center...how bizarre? Still saying Carmichael should have been given play-calling duties before the season started. blackangold likes this.

11-22-2014, 01:13 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled Originally Posted by Barry from MS Play-calling is stale...it no longer has that "innovative & explosive" stigma to it anymore. The O-line doesn't help, especially at Center, as that 0.5 extra second matters with down-the-field passing with inside pass rush. Our 2 best games with pass protection against GB & Car had Lelito parked at Center...how bizarre? Yeah, I just don't understand the Goodwin/Lelito thing. I know the coaches know more than all of us put together, but thats a headscratcher to me. When Lelito is in we look good, when Goodwin starts, not so much. darstep likes this.

11-22-2014, 01:27 PM	#9
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,860 Blog Entries: 1	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled I have no issur with moving Sproles on. Far too often last year he was being hit as he received the ball. He was getting beat up and as soon as he was on the field teams knew it was a passing first. The issue has been PT not being fit and Stills missing early parts of the season. Stills and Thomas on the field will make a difference as Stills speed needs respected and Thomas will get the yards needed on check downs. I think the teams needs new ideas and new blood we have also been unlucky as the offense has hardly had a game fully fit. Goodwin, Thomas, Robinson and Stills all been out. Streif hurt and now Cooks to IR and some talk Robinson could be out all season. I was behind Goodwin coming back after not getting a C in the draft but we need to stop changing eho plays and just give Lelito the job and see if he can handle it for next year.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: After Further Review: Why the Saints' high-octane offense is suddenly stalled We should have gone with the top center last year......maybe the top two centers.lol

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