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GeauxForMore 11-30-2014 11:29 AM

Saints thinking about life after Drew Brees
 
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I understand thinking about the future and all. I just think we have too many holes on the defensive side of the ball to draft a QB very high in this years draft.

ChrisXVI 11-30-2014 11:37 AM

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It's entirely possible. We usually address our big needs in free agency so I could see them investing in a QB of the future high in the draft.

SmashMouth 11-30-2014 11:39 AM

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RG3 on the cheap to Saints?

GeauxForMore 11-30-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 627900)
RG3 on the cheap to Saints?

I would trade a 6th for him. I rather do that then use a 2nd or 3rd on a QB right now. Our D is the biggest problem. I would want the team to focus on that first.

brees84 11-30-2014 11:52 AM

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RG3 is poison and loser. Nobody likes him in the locker room. And even behind Dallas O-line I will be scared to watch him in the pocket.

spkb25 11-30-2014 12:01 PM

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I feel like this was SP using Jedi-mind ****

spkb25 11-30-2014 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 627900)
RG3 on the cheap to Saints?

OMFG I would stop routing for us

spkb25 11-30-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GeauxForMore (Post 627893)
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I understand thinking about the future and all. I just think we have too many holes on the defensive side of the ball to draft a QB very high in this years draft.

Let's fix our oline at center, hink we are good at guard and tackle. Let's either motivate someone at nose or get a good NT. Then lets get a lb or two and a corner (although Dixon may be that) and I think we have a team to compete.

OldMaid 11-30-2014 12:08 PM

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It is something that is inevitable
I give Brees one more decent year.

This year has not been decent.

lee909 11-30-2014 12:12 PM

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Well if the team is thinking of moving away from Brees,start talking to the Jets. The have the high picks,the cap space and the need.

Not saying the team should look elsewhere

Mr.Riaton 11-30-2014 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 627921)
Let's fix our oline at center, hink we are good at guard and tackle. Let's either motivate someone at nose or get a good NT. Then lets get a lb or two and a corner (although Dixon may be that) and I think we have a team to compete.

Pretty sure Lilito is our future center....and I'm fine with that.

MatthewT 11-30-2014 04:38 PM

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RGIII, no freaking way. If the Saints want to roll the dice on damaged goods then go Sam Bradford.

dizzle88 11-30-2014 04:54 PM

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Looks like Brees read the article today and wasn't happy about it

5 TD's on the road, outdoors, against a good defense.

cajunwhodat 11-30-2014 05:28 PM

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Let's be more like the patriots.....If you pricey your gone! If you want to win stay and be affordable. Pay the leader (Drew of course) and work it out with the new guys.


WHO DAT??!?!??!!

Jamessr 11-30-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 627900)
RG3 on the cheap to Saints?

oh god why?

jeanpierre 11-30-2014 05:49 PM

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Saints receivers not named Graham should like it...

Well, guess Brees got the message to get his head out of his arse...

He's lossed that eye of the tiger - he better get it back...

Danno 11-30-2014 05:52 PM

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The Drew I saw today could play 3 or 4 more years easily.

Amazing what a little protection can do for a QB.

vpheughan 11-30-2014 06:09 PM

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Not to worry. Make a trade and get Chase back!

frankeefrank 11-30-2014 06:12 PM

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If we don't use our first two picks on defensive players, we'll be in even more trouble next season.
That being said, there are a lot of "intriguing" QB prospects in this draft.
You'll hear people fawning over Mariota, Winston, Hundley, Prescott, even Petty...
They are all spread QBs and we don't want any of them.
The guys we want are the less heralded QBs from "pro style offenses.
Mannion, Carden, Grayson...
Guys that will be there in the third round.
That being said, I really like Ryan Griffin.
The look he had on his face when he destroyed the field in that "Saints Ice Bucket Challenge video," told me everything I need to know about him.

Halo 11-30-2014 06:24 PM

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Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

Danno 11-30-2014 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 628312)
Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

"Drew, we're gonna use money saved from your restructure to bring in a couple stud O-Linemen. You OK with that?" ;)

halloween 65 11-30-2014 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 628312)
Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

It could be everything that you said but I'm not so sure. He has been good at times but has also been bad. At his age I might think about trading him because when total decline comes it will be quick and as much as he has did for the Saints, the Saints should always come first and not the player, any player,even Brees.

Halo 11-30-2014 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 628320)
It could be everything that you said but I'm not so sure. He has been good at times but has also been bad. At his age I might think about trading him because when total decline comes it will be quick and as much as he has did for the Saints, the Saints should always come first and not the player, any player,even Brees.

Drew Brees is 35 years old. By comparison Brady is 37 and Manning is 38.

(this part NOT directed toward halloween 65 AT ALL)
The old arm argument is pretty tired. That argument started in 2010 the immediate season following our Superbowl win. I frankly think the self-induced disrespect of Brees by some of our fans shows why the Saints fan base is not the best in the business. Frankly some of our fans are very embarrassing because they feel jilted because the fanbase was so critical and torn over Aaron Brooks and/or the organization didn't promote Jake Delhomme? It's sad.

Brees is the best QB we've ever employed and will go down in the books as such. One-half the NFL would love the Saints to dump Brees so they would pick him up for a Superbowl run of their own and gladly pay what he asks for over the next 4 years to finish and retire a member of their organization. Sure he deserves all the criticism he earns, just like every NFL player, but a noodle arm old man, especially since 2010, is a sad pathetic attempt to implode the Saints fanbase.

hagan714 11-30-2014 07:38 PM

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for the love of god take him to the 40 already and put him out to pasture.

I will be shocked if Drew does not do an extension

spkb25 11-30-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 628314)
"Drew, we're gonna use money saved from your restructure to bring in a couple stud O-Linemen. You OK with that?" ;)

Next year is the first year he can restructure without hurting us, right? I think he will

spkb25 11-30-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 628336)
Drew Brees is 35 years old. By comparison Brady is 37 and Manning is 38.

(this part NOT directed toward halloween 65 AT ALL)
The old arm argument is pretty tired. That argument started in 2010 the immediate season following our Superbowl win. I frankly think the self-induced disrespect of Brees by some of our fans shows why the Saints fan base is not the best in the business. Frankly some of our fans are very embarrassing because they feel jilted because the fanbase was so critical and torn over Aaron Brooks and/or the organization didn't promote Jake Delhomme? It's sad.

Brees is the best QB we've ever employed and will go down in the books as such. One-half the NFL would love the Saints to dump Brees so they would pick him up for a Superbowl run of their own and gladly pay what he asks for over the next 4 years to finish and retire a member of their organization. Sure he deserves all the criticism he earns, just like every NFL player, but a noodle arm old man, especially since 2010, is a sad pathetic attempt to implode the Saints fanbase.

Could you imagine the Cards licking their chops?

blackangold 11-30-2014 08:04 PM

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Drew will be our QB until he can't play... I think he has a good 5 years left, but he needs to get a team friendly deal done like Brady did if he wants to win more SBs.

lsutigerfan 11-30-2014 08:05 PM

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We need to first build the future of that O-Line and trade a 6th for a guy like Matt Barkley.

Halo 11-30-2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 628340)
Could you imagine the Cards licking their chops?

The Cards, Jets, Redskins, Cowboys, Bears, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Bengals, Texans, Jags, Raiders.... then just think of the sigh of relief our NFC South rivals would have - probably laugh so hard at us we become a laughing stock for dumping our single best player of all time and their biggest, most feared nemesis - Drew Brees - all the while our defense is so poor, void of talent, and its only talent overpaid and spoiled, yet we traded Brees. The thought is a joke.

Halo 11-30-2014 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 628344)
Drew will be our QB until he can't play... I think he has a good 5 years left, but he needs to get a team friendly deal done like Brady did if he wants to win more SBs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan (Post 628345)
We need to first build the future of that O-Line and trade a 6th for a guy like Matt Barkley.

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 628340)
Could you imagine the Cards licking their chops?

BINGO, BINGO, BINGO! The Saints fan IQ meter just jumped up several points :bng:

|Mitch| 11-30-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 628346)
The Cards, Jets, Redskins, Cowboys, Bears, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Bengals, Texans, Jags, Raiders.... then just think of the sigh of relief our NFC South rivals would have - probably laugh so hard at us we become a laughing stock for dumping our single best player of all time and their biggest, most feared nemesis - Drew Brees - all the while our defense is so poor, void of talent, and its only talent overpaid and spoiled, yet we traded Brees. The thought is a joke.

Please! We all know the losses are all his fault! :rolleyes: /sarcasm

I guess his 5 touchdown 140+ QB rating game silenced the haters... :bng:

voodooido 11-30-2014 08:26 PM

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Brees will retire a Saint. This coming year he will redue his contract to free up some space and add a year or two to the end. I do see the Saints drafting a qb or maybe trading for a Redskins qb, Cousins not RGIII. They could grab him for a 4th that would be a steal. The guy is a stud and would learn a lot under Brees. He has a bright future with the right coaching.

voodooido 11-30-2014 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 628312)
Nice leak to Rappaport by the Saints front office to signal to Brees his last 2 seasons are about to be renegotiated into a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable cap money. In my opinion, investment in Brees was a no-brainer. Every super pay player, Payton Manning included, has their contract chipped away over time - organizations simply cannot pay them in full and keep the organization afloat with personnel.

As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

This is all posturing for a re-negotiation, which I believe will happen and will free money for free-agency. I just don't think we have the draft position or picks to draft that high without selling out the entire draft "Rickey Williams" style which brings us back to killing our draft for a few years to come.

Very nice and well thought out post. I could not agree more.

hagan714 11-30-2014 10:20 PM

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wow I want one person to come up with a QB that can do what Drew does?

Now find me a team that wants to part with them. It is not going to happen.

there is no Andrew Luck out on the Horizon in college football.

I can think of a million reasons to stand pat and start the chest game and reload around Drew till his final day.

here i was not taking this talk serious.

This is just more journalistic crap like most ever thing that comes out.

Are the Saints looking ahead? they better be planning things out and not making knee jerk decisions as the roll along. come on this is a multi million dollar business. of course they are.

It is no big deal!

Its SOP!

RELAX!

do not let the media lead you down the road of stupidity

hagan714 11-30-2014 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 628312)
As for mistakes: front office paying Jarius Byrd "Jimmy Graham" money considering Byrd was injured last season was the biggest mistake this front office has made in a long time - especially since it cost us Sproles and apparently two core safeties to make-way. However funky our defense was last season, it worked. It works less well by a mile this year.

As i said I love the Byrd signing but for that kind of money i would have passed.

Some one believed that Byrd was the answer to finish of building this defense to super bowl level. other wise why go to such lengths to make him fit the cap?

I will say it again. The sales man is Rob Ryan. Sp and Mickey had to buy into it but the master mind behind it all was and still is Rob Ryan.

Mickey is a pencil pusher not an architect. SP had buy into it as the missing piece also by the time the persennel planning was done for 2014.

This is all Rob and his hair brained dreamland defense he has in his head.

Guess what we are piling up wounded and playing players that can not handle his pipe dream.

Wow his hand is forced and the defense is scaled way back.

Results we look better the past two games than we have all year.

Fair warning to all brace yourself for stage two hair brained master plan this off season.

PS keep a close check list on all defensive picks, he too is responsible for each ever one. each round he picks a player that he believes will help. SP does the same on offense. they hash it out with Micky riding shoot gun.

Danno 11-30-2014 11:09 PM

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Rob Ryan doesn't pick our players during the draft.

hagan714 11-30-2014 11:36 PM

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So you are saying players are picked and Rob is told to make it work? come on now.

If so that would explain a lot. This is why the players do not fit his system and he has no say so in how to go about building the defense he wants to install here. In other words he has no say so in the bricks he is using.

Then i am totally wrong about Rob and I feel sorry for him.

sorry i can not buy into that one bit.

he makes his case in each round for the players he wants from all the scouting reports and scout meetings ahead of time.

what players he gets from his big board and when they are picked is out of his hands but the list is his non the less

|Mitch| 11-30-2014 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 628398)
So you are saying players are picked and Rob is told to make it work? come on now.

That's exactly how it works; I'm sure Rob has a little input but ultimately it's a Payton/Loomis decision...

lee909 11-30-2014 11:47 PM

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I very much doubt Rob asked for Fortt and Powell.

hagan714 11-30-2014 11:50 PM

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Payton/Loomis yes have the final say so i agree.

Loomis is a pencil pusher that is well known.

SP evaluates the offense talent being the OC

Rob has list and his input as DC

If the pick goes offense or defense on the big board is out of robs hands.

BUT the list of defensive players and where they fall on the big board is all ROB. he fights for placement and states his case for the player he wants as the draft goes on.

sorry no way are the saints operating totally different than every other team in the NFL

TEAMS do not pick players and tell coordinators to make it work.

Fortt and Powell are Robs boys

SP decides on the final pick and Mickey rubber stamps it.


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