Corey White the free safety?

Danno · 12-20-2014, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

PFF ranking last year had Bush rated in the top 6. Considering Vaccaro just got beat out by two guys that weren't even on the roster to start the year I am going to have to say Vaccaro is a bust AT THE SAFETY POSITION until proven otherwise. We keep trying to fit square players into round holes...

Why do we continue to force this?

Ryan was praised last year because unlike Spags, he started using his players according to their strengths. Square peg, meet square hole.

And now it appears we're right back to the same old thing.

blackangold · 12-20-2014, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

PFF ranking are pointless
If any safety can be top 6 without a sack, interception or forced fumble tells he wasnt a top 6 S

lol

Shows how much you know about the safety spot... Or football in general, stats aren't everything.

You could not be bias and look at what is regarded as the best ranking system in the NFL, your just too prideful to admit your wrong.

Vaccaro has some talent but he is playing the wrong position this year.

blackangold · 12-20-2014, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Why do we continue to force this?

Ryan was praised last year because unlike Spags, he started using his players according to their strengths. Square peg, meet square hole.

And now it appears we're right back to the same old thing.

Yup...

Aside from the Bears game it seemed like we were trying to force it, but that's why I am actually excited now. Rob might have figured it out even this late in the season we still have a shot.

ChrisXVI · 12-20-2014, 01:19 PM

Rafael Bush played a part time role when he was ranked so highly by PFF... What was his average grade as a full-time starter for that stretch this season?

lee909 · 12-20-2014, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

lol

Shows how much you know about the safety spot... Or football in general, stats aren't everything.

You could not be bias and look at what is regarded as the best ranking system in the NFL, your just too prideful to admit your wrong.

Vaccaro has some talent but he is playing the wrong position this year.

I know stats are not everthing neither is PFF and I agree that Vaccaro is neither a SS or FS but as the third safety in the formation last year he was very good. Rafael Bush isnt the 6th best S in the league and wont be. He is a good player but of he was that good we wouldn't habe been able to keep him. I think we just have to disagre. My major issue has been the calling Vaccaro a bust on the thread. He is a good, potentially very good safety who is coming back ftom a nasty injury and playing in a new position in a struggling team. The big mistake was trying to force a change in a team that didn't have the personal needed

blackangold · 12-20-2014, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I know stats are not everthing neither is PFF and I agree that Vaccaro is neither a SS or FS but as the third safety in the formation last year he was very good. Rafael Bush isnt the 6th best S in the league and wont be. He is a good player but of he was that good we wouldn't habe been able to keep him. I think we just have to disagre. My major issue has been the calling Vaccaro a bust on the thread. He is a good, potentially very good safety who is coming back ftom a nasty injury and playing in a new position in a struggling team. The big mistake was trying to force a change in a team that didn't have the personal needed

I don't disagree that he has talent, but he is best at the pest role not at safety. It's not just one year either, he played the pest role in college as well, Vaccaro has never been a true safety and we should stop trying to make him one before we ruin another player.

NonieT · 12-20-2014, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Vaccaro has never been a true safety and we should stop trying to make him one before we ruin another player.

I think we already have.

12-20-2014, 01:12 PM	#31
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Re: Corey White the free safety? Originally Posted by blackangold PFF ranking last year had Bush rated in the top 6. Considering Vaccaro just got beat out by two guys that weren't even on the roster to start the year I am going to have to say Vaccaro is a bust AT THE SAFETY POSITION until proven otherwise. We keep trying to fit square players into round holes... Why do we continue to force this? Ryan was praised last year because unlike Spags, he started using his players according to their strengths. Square peg, meet square hole. And now it appears we're right back to the same old thing. blackangold likes this.

12-20-2014, 01:14 PM	#32
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Corey White the free safety? Originally Posted by lee909 PFF ranking are pointless If any safety can be top 6 without a sack, interception or forced fumble tells he wasnt a top 6 S lol Shows how much you know about the safety spot... Or football in general, stats aren't everything. You could not be bias and look at what is regarded as the best ranking system in the NFL, your just too prideful to admit your wrong. Vaccaro has some talent but he is playing the wrong position this year.

12-20-2014, 01:16 PM	#33
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Corey White the free safety? Originally Posted by Danno Why do we continue to force this? Ryan was praised last year because unlike Spags, he started using his players according to their strengths. Square peg, meet square hole. And now it appears we're right back to the same old thing. Yup... Aside from the Bears game it seemed like we were trying to force it, but that's why I am actually excited now. Rob might have figured it out even this late in the season we still have a shot.

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12-20-2014, 02:20 PM	#36
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Corey White the free safety? Originally Posted by lee909 I know stats are not everthing neither is PFF and I agree that Vaccaro is neither a SS or FS but as the third safety in the formation last year he was very good. Rafael Bush isnt the 6th best S in the league and wont be. He is a good player but of he was that good we wouldn't habe been able to keep him. I think we just have to disagre. My major issue has been the calling Vaccaro a bust on the thread. He is a good, potentially very good safety who is coming back ftom a nasty injury and playing in a new position in a struggling team. The big mistake was trying to force a change in a team that didn't have the personal needed I don't disagree that he has talent, but he is best at the pest role not at safety. It's not just one year either, he played the pest role in college as well, Vaccaro has never been a true safety and we should stop trying to make him one before we ruin another player.

12-20-2014, 06:08 PM	#37
NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Corey White the free safety? Originally Posted by blackangold Vaccaro has never been a true safety and we should stop trying to make him one before we ruin another player. I think we already have.
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