Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 633736)

This is the thing. This thread discussion is SO CLOSE to it, but everybody's still kinda tiptoeing around and not quite there yet. Yes, it is a coordinator issue. But it's more than just that.

The thing is, the Goodell bounty stuff is STILL in Payton's head. TO THIS DAY. His mind has been completely messed up, ever since it happened to him. Like when you put a prisoner in a dark box for a month or something, he's not the same man when he comes out. Payton is NOT going to easily give up control of the defensive side of the locker room, to some DC's personal assistants that Payton can't control. Those same old same old coordinators are in there for a reason, because they are Yes Men to Payton, and because he got railroaded, and the Bountygate stuff is STILL all up inside Payton's head TO THIS DAY. On one level, he is completely and totally paranoid. Control freak, yes. Perfectionist, yes. He always was one, but the aftershocks of the Bounty thing has made it spin off in weird ways.

I think maybe one or two coordinators may go, emphasis on MAY go, out the door. But a wholesale house cleaning, top to bottom? I don't see it happening, unless Payton is somehow forced to.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 633694)

Change is imminent and necessary. I would be OK if Sean got rid of all of those assistant/defensive position coaches and kept the Big Lebowski.

Add a few pieces to the puzzle via FA & draft on D and we are back.

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 633752)

I wanted big rob sent packing myself several times this year. but you wonder he had no staff to give support. is it that payton calls the shots and wants to protect against the run than have a sack frensey and a 200 yard a game rusher that kills you. we were so lazy some games than some we had sack mania style Jorden vs galette . face it we need another big time rusher that has multible moves, trade off one if we have to. and lets please start looking for another young, colston with more moves' no more short guys.

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 633813)

I honestly think we just need to admit we cheated for a sb, whether its true or not. Kiss Goodell's a@@, apologize for what happened, take responsibility for it and be proud to be cheaters. If you want to win you have to suck it up. I think now its time to move past it by admitting that they made a mistake, make their desire to win back the respect of the public, win back the people that supported them and jumped on their bandwagon(you need bandwagons for success all the sb winner have them). I think by doing this we could see a major difference.

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 633813)

I honestly think we just need to admit we cheated for a sb, whether its true or not. Kiss Goodell's a@@, apologize for what happened, take responsibility for it and be proud to be cheaters. If you want to win you have to suck it up. I think now its time to move past it by admitting that they made a mistake, make their desire to win back the respect of the public, win back the people that supported them and jumped on their bandwagon(you need bandwagons for success all the sb winner have them). I think by doing this we could see a major difference.