Lewis: Saints cornerback Jean-Baptiste waits to take active role, says: 'I can’t figure out what’s going on...I'm feeling lost'
 

“They haven’t explained anything to me,” said Jean-Baptiste, who has been inactive for 11 of 15 games with apparently little hope of playing in Sunday’s finale at Tampa Bay. “It’s killing me not being able to help my team when we’ve been struggling.

“But to tell you the truth, I can’t figure out what’s going on.”

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Re: Lewis: Saints cornerback Jean-Baptiste waits to take active role, says: 'I can’t figure out what’s going on...I'm feeling lost'
 

Let the kid play already!

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Let him play

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If he isn't as good as the guys in front of him, he should sit.

Dixon and Frederick have earned the right to start. SJB apparently hasn't.

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He's not the first guy the Saints have red-shirted in his rookie year and they wouldn't do it if he didn't show a ton of promise. At this point the worst thing you could do do a raw rookie CB is throw him out there on an island, with a discombobulated defense where he's probably going to end up looking bad and lose some confidence.

But I'm willing to bet he gets in at least for the second half Sunday, at least in some sub packages.

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Explain what? The defensive scheme? Your status on the team? What time you should get up in the morning? Where you should be at a certain time? What you should have for lunch? Who you should see? When you should see them? I really need more information before I can comment ... I know he's not throwing his coaches under the bus, :neutral:.

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He should be playing this week and we may look back bext year wondering why he didn't start. You cannot tell me there are better guys in front of him because that's complete crap. Frederick looked ok starting but outside of him we have seen people get beat and blow assignments all year. If SJB comes out next year and plays like Revis or Sherman we are only going to ask why he didn't start sooner.

I have no faith in our organization to develop players or put the right talent on the field, its why we see guys like Goodwin start while Lelito sits its why we see guys like Warren get cut.

If SJB comes out and balls like a probowler it makes this staff look bad for him riding the pine.

Lastly those of you talking about CB confidence and not wanting to ruin it your full of ****. Every CB gets beat and the good ones come back the next play ready to go. If anything they are ruining his confidence by not getting him on the field now. We all saw what CBs with confidence issues do... Prob.

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Can't hurt.

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Major Bust!!!

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Frederick looked "OK" against a bears team that completely fell apart from the first quarter onwards

He completely stopped running vs Julio Jones and let him catch an uncontested pass in the red zone

We need another dependable CB opposite lewis, I don't know why the FO thought a 37 year old or a guy that's played the position for a year were capable of being that.

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It says a lot about SJB when coaches jobs are on the line, playoffs are within reach, and CB is the most glaring weakness on an historically bad defense, and 2 guys we pulled off the street get extensive playing time and not only does SJB not play, he's not even active on gameday.

He must be gawd-awful. I rarely use the word bust about a young player, but I can't remember a better candidate for the bust label over the last 10 years.

I do remember PFF pointed out that he had a few snaps, and gave up a TD on a blown assignment.

We coulda had Marcus Martin!!!

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I don't know what to think here!!
1. Either he's a suprize super-star waiting to be unvailed next season.
2. Slower than expected progess like JR. did
3. Secondary coach might not know how to get him there.(I'm leaning hard this way)
4. No talent what to speak of(I don't think this, kid has tools)

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Your right!!We could have had Martin.

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Or perhaps he doesn't know where to be and when, and is so raw he hasn't master CB techniques, which are numerous.

IIRC CB is one of the hardest positions to master technique wise in the NFL along with QB and WR.

I'm just hoping that the talent is there, he just happened to be much more raw than the coaches originally thought.

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Could at least get a look at him in man-to-man.I'm still leaning on the secondary coach.Scheme, I see your point.

Re: Lewis: Saints cornerback Jean-Baptiste waits to take active role, says: 'I can’t figure out what’s going on...I'm feeling lost'
 

I don't know, PT sat most of his rookie season even though he was obviously a better option than Bush, who stunk between the tackles and Stecker who was old and breaking down. The one game he got substantial playing time he killed it.

I think what happens is the coaches set up a "plan" for young guys and don't care to deviate from it.

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That is a learned attitude, and maybe they don't see how he's going to learn it as the weakest link on a crap defense. the kid was a project anyway, there's no harm in taking your time with him. It's not like we need him out there trying to get a win.

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Not saying SJB isn't a bust but that can't be determined unless he gets playing time.

I think it says more about this coaching staff's inability to develop defensive talent. No one questioned his physical abilities and CB is not incredibly difficult to grasp. He played very well in college but now he doesn't even know what a football looks like apparently.

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SJB football IQ must be super low not to see the field. It this is accurate, quite disappointing especially to say where he was drafted.

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Sick of us going for these "project" players because they MIGHT be half decent in 4 years time

Go for the NFL ready player!!!

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"Major Bust!!!"

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That just shows some of the complacency and cockiness that has developed in the organization that they thought the team was in such great shape that they could essentially waste a second round pick on a guy they had no intention of even putting on the field this year. It's even more egregious considering they knew that they didn't have a third round pick due to trading up for Cooks.

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a statement like this makes alarm warnings go off in my head. serious and i mean serious lack of communication happening here. no one is talking to SJB? if this is the case this defensive coaching staff is the reason why the defense has continued slide.

It is Rob job not only to teach players but it is also his job to teach his coaches plus make sure every one is on the same page.

it is obvious he does not have every one on the same page and i wonder if the book itself is even bond up yet.

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He is awful... just look at these highlights from 1 season at CB... just bad


or is he?

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Looking at those highlights it seems he is an all-or-nothing player. But we haven't seen aggressive corner play like that all season. I am looking forward to seeing this guy get on the field at some point.

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No offense but this is not how football teams operate on any level. They don't baby players. If you're in, you're in - if not, you sit and wait for your turn. You don't go in the coaches office and sit on the couch like he's your psychologist, tell him all your problems and talk about your future. That's what offseasons are for.

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“They haven’t explained anything to me,”

is a totally different thing. if after 17 games you do not have a clue why your not playing, it is 1 of 2 things

1 your dumber than a door nail
2 someone is not doing their job

after the way this defense has played all year i lean to #2

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Im in love.

Re: Lewis: Saints cornerback Jean-Baptiste waits to take active role, says: 'I can’t figure out what’s going on...I'm feeling lost'
 

It says to me that the guy probably isn't ready but he thinks he is, kinda' like the WR (forgot his name already, :shrug) that they just cut and it's everybody's fault but his own for his lack of playing time, :rolleyes:. The one thing it seems they forget to explain along the way to quite a few of these new breed of NFL players is how to be an adult, :shrug.

Also agree with the theory that he might have raw potential and rather than ruin his confidence by burning him out in a no-win situation, they'll take advantage of his rookie status to save him for later. His little whine here does kinda' imply he lacks the maturity to be able to recover from a setback so they might want to handle him with kid gloves & save him the trouble of traumatizing him, :rolleyes:.

If it was up to me, I'd put a pair of ice skates on his behind and make him skate with a Junior B team in the off season ... put some hair on his chest, ;).

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The way our D has played he should have seen the field. Trial by fire can be a good thing, at least he would be able to look at his play in the film room and go from there. He is the" mystery man" in a Saints uniform.

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The whole confidence thing is a load of crap. You have it or you don't and you sure as hell don't get it by not playing. If you really want to make something of it; it sounds like they were more detrimental to his confidence by letting car salesman pass him up.

If it were up to me I would put him on Mike Evans and see what he has now rather than betting our cards on him starting next year only come to find out he sucks, once again we would have no #2 CB.

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This reminds me A LOT of Chris Ivory before he left. Remember his "nobody tells me anything" quote, about the coaches not talking to him, when he got benched and went into a black hole? He had the same frustrations in almost the same words. And remember how we've all seen this before -- if Payton turns on a player, it's like he flips a switch, and you are a dead man walking, you become invisible to him, he just looks right through you like you're not even there.

I think SJB be gone. I don't think you ever come back from this, once Sean Payton tells you to Talk To The Hand and goes into ignore mode.

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Such a shame...

Seems like this organization is building a poor reputation with players. The Sproles situation, SJBs lack of communication and the indecent you mention don't paint a pretty picture.

If you have a project player that you are hoping to mold the absolute worse thing he can feel is left in the dark with no direction. What kind of a player are you creating if you don't lay out your plans for him... I think this off-season will be very telling on the direction of the team, because aside from the losing record this year there are numerous things that concern me about the management of this organization.

I think ill be more upset if the guy comes out and balls, it be for us or another team it's going to make this staff look bad.

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Also it's PURE SPECULATION on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised AT ALL if there was some type of backstage drama with the coaches about this guy, that we don't know about -- maybe someone on the coaching or scouting staff wanted him badly, and someone else didn't, or maybe they disagree about him and his potential from day one, on the team.

Maybe there was a lot of discussion behind the scenes about his pick, about his skills, and now maybe the poor guy is being used as a scapegoat for some other element of struggle or dissension among the coaching or scouting staff, behind the scenes.

Just imagine if they talked about this controversial draft pick, among themselves, as much as we talked about it here -- I would not be AT ALL surprised if the guy has certain people in the Saints organization that didn't like the pick and want to see him fail, so they can say "I told you so" -- and certain people who want him to succeed, to save their hineys, and maybe some type of battle is going on over him, behind the scenes.

Remember, it's not like every single guy that the team picks, is going to be a unanimous harmonious choice among all the scouts and coaches. They can disagree, just like we do here....He may be Ryan's guy, or Loomis's guy, or some particular scout's guy, maybe even Payton's guy -- we just really don't know who in the war room was pushing for him... But if somebody in there on the coaching staff really didn't like him, this theory would explain the mysterious roadblock in him seeing the field.

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We teach rookies the fundamentals in rugby practice.......but we put it together in games where players get the experience. With experience comes confidence. With confidence comes better play.

Rugby is a very technical sport and everyone is over whelmed when they start playing. The light just comes on differently to different positions and to different players. A rookie may play an 80 minute game but he will remember only a small portion of that.........the things he learned in the game whether it was from doing things right or wrong. If we learn from our mistakes and from the things we do right then we are on the right path. :cool:

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I don't believe the issue is w/SJB. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I will wait to see what he gives us next season. He has a skill set that you hope to find in most guys.

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None of our cb's have mastered technique I see breakdowns in everybody's technique week out consistently especially when it comes to tracking the ball and getting their head around, it wouldn't hurt to see where he's stands in comparison this Sunday to those two neither Frederick or Dixon are ready for the #2 spot if you ask me (nobody asked me)

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Our DB's don't need to turn to locate the ball, they are already 5 steps behind the receiver when it arrives lol.

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Put the kid in and see what he can do against the other kids. No kidding!

I would too, hold his feet to the fire and see what he's got, :shrug. Sink or swim, IMO. Only problem is, the NFL is a million/billion dollar business and when you make a decision as a coach (with the exception of Mike Smith), you get it right or you might be gone. Game time is not necessarily the time you want to be proving out a player's playing potential ... you gotta' wonder what SJB has shown them up to this point that would prompt them to bring in less talented (allegedly) guys to take his spot. I do and gotta' figure he's displayed some kind of characteristics that would leave the coaching staff to figure he's not ready to accept failure at the NFL level and if you care about your guys, you do what's necessary to ensure their success. In SJB's case, that probably means sitting him to avoid having him get his butt burned every other play. :shrug.

20-30-40yrs ago I would have agreed with you about the confidence crap, but today's NFL athlete has a different mindset. It's like they're all divas, so sensitive, you can't critique 'em or raise your voice or traumatize 'em or make 'em feel bad about themselves, put 'em in a situation where they can't be successful, et... it's like coaching AYSO soccer for crissake, :rolleyes:.

I'm not gonna' put too much of this on the coaching staff, even though I do recognize the comment on how Payton may have the tendency to isolate a player that isn't working out. Are we dealing with men here or are we dealing with 12yr old soccer players? 52, 51, 50 or whatever other players on the team seem to be able to figure out what's going on, what's SJB's major malfunction? Just sayin', :shrug.

Good thread though, :) ... I'm starting to see what may have been the cause of the Saints difficulties this season. JMO.