A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees

lee909 · 01-01-2015, 07:24 AM

Or it was Tampa opening up the purse strings to give Carl Nicks 9.5ml per year to sign with 25ml fully guaranteed salary. Ben Grubbs signed for 7.ml a year with only 15.9ml guaranteed. Nicks wanted the big money and we either would have been in the same situation paying him huge money now as his contract would have needed to be back ended. We now would be scrambling to pay somebody like Cutler or Flacco nearly 20ml a year

Foot Stomper · 01-01-2015, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Anyone notice that there are no more discussions of Brees being in the same league as Brady and Manning? Brady and Manning continue to make the people around them better. Until Brees does the same I wont ever believe that he was worth the money we paid him.

I notice. He is no longer an automatic inclusion in conversations about the best NFL QB's. And I think that is fair. He has played himself out of the conversation. I am grateful we have him as our QB but at this point when he drops back I equally fear bad things will happen on each snap.

vtiger72 · 01-01-2015, 10:54 AM

Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. At any time, the Saints could have torn up that deal and given him more money in those years to keep low the money they had to pay him in the future. They chose to milk the value of the depressed deal he had to sign when he left SD and then hope for goodwill when Drew signed his next contract. When looking at the big cap hits for 2015-16, one must remember that the deal only averaged out at 20/year which is the going rate for top QBs. Drew helped the Saints cap in the first three years of the deal by structuring it in a way to allow them to be able to sign a player like Grubbs or give Graham his money.

ScottF · 01-01-2015, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. .

Brees got $10 million a year in that contract, coming off an injury and with very few other teams interested.
Miami Dolphins: Nick Saban Says Team Offered Drew Brees Contract in 2006 | Bleacher Report

He was underpaid by year 4, but a 25% raise in 2006 over 2005 for a QB with an injured shoulder isn't a bad deal

blackangold · 01-01-2015, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

Anyone notice that there are no more discussions of Brees being in the same league as Brady and Manning? Brady and Manning continue to make the people around them better. Until Brees does the same I wont ever believe that he was worth the money we paid him.

I never would've said Brees was the best out of the top 4 but now I am not sure he is in the same league. His stats are good in some areas and poor in others.

Rodgers
Brady
Manning

These three are in a class by themselves, following them:

Brees

Who I think is in the Great but not Elite class by himself followed by everyone else.

If we were to trade Brees straight up for anyone of the top 3 no one here could complain.

Not that I am looking forward to it, but I am interested to see what another QB could do in this system.

blackangold · 01-01-2015, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract.

How do you play for under market value? Brees agreed to the terms of the deal and no one was looking at him at that point. If anything we overpaid for a QB coming off of a injury that some thought would end his career....lol

Market Value= what teams are willing to pay for said player, not what other players have been paid.

vtiger72 · 01-01-2015, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

How do you play for under market value? Brees agreed to the terms of the deal and no one was looking at him at that point. If anything we overpaid for a QB coming off of a injury that some thought would end his career....lol

Market Value= what teams are willing to pay for said player, not what other players have been paid.

Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?

blackangold · 01-01-2015, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?

I never said brees should take less money due to his market value. Brees should take less uf he wants to win just like Brady did.

ScottF · 01-01-2015, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?

Because that formula hasn't worked. Paying one superstar 20% of the cap bastardized our line: downgrades at three positions.
Brees is a smart man, but he has lost a Pro Bowl left tackle, an All-Pro guard, and a serviceable center. He can choose to get sacked and land on a fat wallet , or give up a little dough and get that extra half second in the pocket. Everyone knows that with time Brees can make any receiver look like Calvin Johnson

vtiger72 · 01-01-2015, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by ScottF

Because that formula hasn't worked. Paying one superstar 20% of the cap bastardized our line: downgrades at three positions.
Brees is a smart man, but he has lost a Pro Bowl left tackle, an All-Pro guard, and a serviceable center. He can choose to get sacked and land on a fat wallet , or give up a little dough and get that extra half second in the pocket. Everyone knows that with time Brees can make any receiver look like Calvin Johnson

Or the both the player can get paid and Saints could get room now, by extending Brees at market value where the dead money and hit to the cap will come in years that Brees will no longer be with the Saints. This would be a good deal for Brees and cause the Saints issues when he is no longer for the team. That may not be something the team is willing to do.

01-01-2015, 07:24 AM	#21
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Or it was Tampa opening up the purse strings to give Carl Nicks 9.5ml per year to sign with 25ml fully guaranteed salary. Ben Grubbs signed for 7.ml a year with only 15.9ml guaranteed. Nicks wanted the big money and we either would have been in the same situation paying him huge money now as his contract would have needed to be back ended. We now would be scrambling to pay somebody like Cutler or Flacco nearly 20ml a year

01-01-2015, 09:04 AM	#22
Foot Stomper Carolina Sucks Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 379	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by 44Champs Anyone notice that there are no more discussions of Brees being in the same league as Brady and Manning? Brady and Manning continue to make the people around them better. Until Brees does the same I wont ever believe that he was worth the money we paid him. I notice. He is no longer an automatic inclusion in conversations about the best NFL QB's. And I think that is fair. He has played himself out of the conversation. I am grateful we have him as our QB but at this point when he drops back I equally fear bad things will happen on each snap. 44Champs likes this.

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vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. At any time, the Saints could have torn up that deal and given him more money in those years to keep low the money they had to pay him in the future. They chose to milk the value of the depressed deal he had to sign when he left SD and then hope for goodwill when Drew signed his next contract. When looking at the big cap hits for 2015-16, one must remember that the deal only averaged out at 20/year which is the going rate for top QBs. Drew helped the Saints cap in the first three years of the deal by structuring it in a way to allow them to be able to sign a player like Grubbs or give Graham his money. Rugby Saint II and lee909 like this.
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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by vtiger72 Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. . Brees got $10 million a year in that contract, coming off an injury and with very few other teams interested. Miami Dolphins: Nick Saban Says Team Offered Drew Brees Contract in 2006 \| Bleacher Report He was underpaid by year 4, but a 25% raise in 2006 over 2005 for a QB with an injured shoulder isn't a bad deal Cscofield28 and Foot Stomper like this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by 44Champs Anyone notice that there are no more discussions of Brees being in the same league as Brady and Manning? Brady and Manning continue to make the people around them better. Until Brees does the same I wont ever believe that he was worth the money we paid him. I never would've said Brees was the best out of the top 4 but now I am not sure he is in the same league. His stats are good in some areas and poor in others. Rodgers Brady Manning These three are in a class by themselves, following them: Brees Who I think is in the Great but not Elite class by himself followed by everyone else. If we were to trade Brees straight up for anyone of the top 3 no one here could complain. Not that I am looking forward to it, but I am interested to see what another QB could do in this system.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by vtiger72 Drew deserved the contract he got. He played in New Orleans for below market value for the entire first contract. How do you play for under market value? Brees agreed to the terms of the deal and no one was looking at him at that point. If anything we overpaid for a QB coming off of a injury that some thought would end his career....lol Market Value= what teams are willing to pay for said player, not what other players have been paid.

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vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by blackangold How do you play for under market value? Brees agreed to the terms of the deal and no one was looking at him at that point. If anything we overpaid for a QB coming off of a injury that some thought would end his career....lol Market Value= what teams are willing to pay for said player, not what other players have been paid. Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid?
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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by vtiger72 Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid? I never said brees should take less money due to his market value. Brees should take less uf he wants to win just like Brady did.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by vtiger72 Under that logic, then Brees is not overpaid now. The Saints agreed to the contract he received and structured it in the way they did. Had the Saints not signed him to that, he could have easily eclipsed it on the open market. Granted, another team likely would have structured it differently so that the cap hits were not so dramatic in the last two years. But, the Saints needed space those first three years and structured it so they could receive it. So, if the Saints willingly signed that contract it proved he was worth it. Why should they come to him now asking him to reduce what he is being paid? Because that formula hasn't worked. Paying one superstar 20% of the cap bastardized our line: downgrades at three positions. Brees is a smart man, but he has lost a Pro Bowl left tackle, an All-Pro guard, and a serviceable center. He can choose to get sacked and land on a fat wallet , or give up a little dough and get that extra half second in the pocket. Everyone knows that with time Brees can make any receiver look like Calvin Johnson captainshawn likes this.

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vtiger72 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 185	Re: A win-win contract extension would make sense for Saints, Drew Brees Originally Posted by ScottF Because that formula hasn't worked. Paying one superstar 20% of the cap bastardized our line: downgrades at three positions. Brees is a smart man, but he has lost a Pro Bowl left tackle, an All-Pro guard, and a serviceable center. He can choose to get sacked and land on a fat wallet , or give up a little dough and get that extra half second in the pocket. Everyone knows that with time Brees can make any receiver look like Calvin Johnson Or the both the player can get paid and Saints could get room now, by extending Brees at market value where the dead money and hit to the cap will come in years that Brees will no longer be with the Saints. This would be a good deal for Brees and cause the Saints issues when he is no longer for the team. That may not be something the team is willing to do.
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