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Danno 01-02-2015 02:10 PM
Saints fire 3 assistant coaches
 
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The #Saints are parting ways with WR coach Henry Ellard and TE Terry Malone, source says. Offseason changes begin now, there will be others

Danno 01-02-2015 02:19 PM
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halloween 65 01-02-2015 02:21 PM
Re: Saints fire WR coach Henry Ellard and TE coach Terry Malone
 
I thought the TE coach did well enough to stay. Hill was come along nicely.

lee909 01-02-2015 02:23 PM
Re: Saints fire WR coach Henry Ellard and TE coach Terry Malone
 
I thought Ellard was highly regarded?
Maybe sick of the drops

Still same old issues on the lines and LBs though

|Mitch| 01-02-2015 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 635678)
Still same old issues on the lines and LBs though
Did you miss the part where Payton said more changes are coming?

Jack Vegas 01-02-2015 02:29 PM
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Good I say. Other than Stills the receiver group has shown a real lack of focus and smarts on the field the last couple of years. Graham hasn't really become the polished TE that he could be.

More moves? I think Vitt sticks around for the long haul. He's too big a part of the organization and has much larger responsiblities than just being the LB coach. Bill Johnson is almost certainly gone and the DB coach is already gone.

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 635677)
I thought the TE coach did well enough to stay. Hill was come along nicely.
I like Josh Hill a lot, but I wonder how much of his development has to do with Ben Watson and not the coaching. Graham is still a raw player after 5 years in the league. Considering the amount of money we've committed to him that's not a viable result.

halloween 65 01-02-2015 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 635679)
Did you miss the part where Payton said more changes are coming?
I'll believe it more when Vitt gets his walking papers.

halloween 65 01-02-2015 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Vegas (Post 635680)
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Good I say. Other than Stills the receiver group has shown a real lack of focus and smarts on the field the last couple of years. Graham hasn't really become the polished TE that he could be.

More moves? I think Vitt sticks around for the long haul. He's too big a part of the organization and has much larger responsiblities than just being the LB coach. Bill Johnson is almost certainly gone and the DB coach is already gone.



I like Josh Hill a lot, but I wonder how much of his development has to do with Ben Watson and not the coaching. Graham is still a raw player after 5 years in the league. Considering the amount of money we've committed to him that's not a viable result.
I agree with what you said about Hill, I also agree that Graham not being polished. I can't see why Vitt stays, to many better lb. coaches out there that can get much better results and Vitt is a joke at being the assistant head coach just look at results when Payton was suspended.

Jack Vegas 01-02-2015 03:07 PM
Re: Saints fire WR coach Henry Ellard and TE coach Terry Malone
 
From reading between the lines over the years it seems like Vitt is a fairly important part of the structure as SP's right hand man or whatever you call it. I don't think he will be fired for that reason. But maybe they promote him upward to full-time asst. coach and hire somebody else just to focus on the LBs. FWIW, I don't think our LBs are coached poorly, they just lack footspeed.

jnormand 01-02-2015 03:16 PM
Re: Saints fire WR coach Henry Ellard and TE coach Terry Malone
 
Well..looks like we are gonna see some new cogs. Fine with me. Everyone is on the chopping block.

Halo 01-02-2015 03:22 PM
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Great. All three of those positions are annually the most disappointing and underachieving since 2009-2010, esp. since Curtis Johnson left. Makes sense.

Ashley 01-02-2015 03:24 PM
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good keep them coming

K Major 01-02-2015 03:32 PM
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I'll be elated once Vitt, McMahon, Johnson and talent scouts are shown the door. There are plenty of young, vibrant DE coaches/assistants out there wanting to make a difference (specifically on defense) in N O.

jeanpierre 01-02-2015 03:48 PM
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Personnel decision making needs a hard look as well...

Still don't get why Joe Vitt Sr, Greg McMahon, Bret Ingalls, Bill Johnson, Frank Smith, Bryan Young have responsibilities with the team now...

Foot Stomper 01-02-2015 04:27 PM
Re: Saints fire WR coach Henry Ellard and TE coach Terry Malone
 
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 635681)
I'll believe it more when Vitt gets his walking papers.
DLine and the LB's do need better coaching as well as talent. Vitt ain't gonna be fired though. Perhaps moved but he wont be fired.

arsaint 01-02-2015 04:35 PM
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Nothing against any of these men personally, but their areas are not getting it done and have regressed.

I think anyone associated with ST needs to go. Our ST have been horrible for years now.

Foot Stomper 01-02-2015 04:43 PM
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Anybody know how Drew's coaching is setup? Is he coachable (meaning open to critiquing his decision making)? Whoever this is needs to be replaced.

dizzle88 01-02-2015 05:08 PM
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Why is vitt still around?

ChrisXVI 01-02-2015 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Foot Stomper (Post 635696)
Anybody know how Drew's coaching is setup? Is he coachable (meaning open to critiquing his decision making)? Whoever this is needs to be replaced.
Part of the problem has probably been that he had a new QB coach this past year. Joe Lombardi was his coach but he left to be the OC of the Lions. I don't know off the top of my head who the new QB coach is but maybe the change took some getting used to.

Papa Voodoo 01-02-2015 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 635690)
Personnel decision making needs a hard look as well...

Still don't get why Joe Vitt Sr, Greg McMahon, Bret Ingalls, Bill Johnson, Frank Smith, Bryan Young have responsibilities with the team now...
I don't think blowing the whole thing up is going to work either. I think Vitt is solid and like JV said, he does a lot more for the team than coach LBs. Just like the defense, keep what can grow, cut the rest.

spkb25 01-02-2015 05:26 PM
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The Message- The party is over

UK_WhoDat 01-02-2015 05:53 PM
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wide receivers coach Henry Ellard - bye
tight ends coach Terry Malone - bye
assistant defensive backs coach Andre Curtis - bye

I am waiting for more.

SmashMouth 01-02-2015 05:59 PM
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:popcorn:

Danno 01-02-2015 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 635709)
:popcorn:
:popcorn::popcorn:

ChrisXVI 01-02-2015 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 635698)
Why is vitt still around?
He's Sean Payton's consigliere.

Danno 01-02-2015 06:13 PM
Re: Saints fire 3 assistant coaches
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 635698)
Why is vitt still around?
Read Drews book, apparently it details the numerous things he does that have nothing to do with coaching LBs.

Beastmode 01-02-2015 06:27 PM
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More concerned about the hiring. Hiring of people that demand professional performance from professional athletes. What happened this season is not acceptable on this level. Almost dead last in every category.

Danno 01-02-2015 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 635715)
More concerned about the hiring. Hiring of people that demand professional performance from professional athletes. What happened this season is not acceptable on this level. Almost dead last in every category.
On Defense.

Top 5 in almost every Offensive category, although it certainly doesn't feel like it does it.

brees84 01-02-2015 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 635712)
He's Sean Payton's consigliere.

Beastmode 01-02-2015 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 635716)
On Defense.

Top 5 in almost every Offensive category, although it certainly doesn't feel like it does it.
True, but how much of the offense was generated in garbage time. 4 games I know of for sure. That is the deceptive story the numbers can't tell you. The Bucs game was against some backups. The offensive numbers, if really broken down would not be something to hang a hat on.

Danno 01-02-2015 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 635720)
True, but how much of the offense was generated in garbage time. 4 games I know of for sure. That is the deceptive story the numbers can't tell you.
Disagree completely. We had very few garbage time games. Most of our losses were in the final minutes.

44Champs 01-02-2015 06:56 PM
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Lets bring back Curtis Johnson :)

Foot Stomper 01-02-2015 06:58 PM
Re: Saints fire 3 assistant coaches
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 635721)
Disagree completely. We had very few garbage time games. Most of our losses were in the final minutes.
Garbage time to me means the game is over and a team puts up yards/points with the end game already decided - either in a winning or losing situation.

To me we had a good bit of that type of offense this year - in a losing effort. I could be mistaken and would have to have the courage to go read the drive summaries of each game. At least for now I can't stomach it.

Danno 01-02-2015 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Foot Stomper (Post 635725)
Garbage time to me means the game is over and a team puts up yards/points with the end game already decided.

To me we had a good bit of that type of offense this year. I could be mistaken and would have to have the courage to go read the drive summaries of each game. At least for now I can't stomach it.
I did, and "garbage yards" were a tiny fraction of our totals. Its totally insignificant.

In fact, if you subtracted every single yard we gained in the 4th quarter versus Dallas, Cincy, Baltimore, Carolina #2 AND Atlanta #2 we'd still finish in the top10.

Think about that, EVERY single 4th quarter yard gained in these five supposed garbage games and we'd still be top 10.

Foot Stomper 01-02-2015 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 635726)
I did, and "garbage yards" were a tiny fraction of our totals. Its totally insignificant.
Cool...I take your word for it. Our Offense is top ranked even with a crappy OL and a top 5 turn over rate. Someone said earlier we didn't play complimentary ball...may have been you...and that I agree with. We didn't help each other out through out the year. We never seemed to play with a lead except a few occasions, I recall our Offense starting out slow (even when we didn't we were snake bit and would turn if over in the redzone). I guess my overall issue with the Offense is the damn turnovers, OL and drops. On Defense nothing worked.

hagan714 01-02-2015 07:15 PM
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DB? really? that was a shocker..yawn

overall ho hum and unimpressive if this was a sign things would cahnge.

keep em coming and do not forget some higher ups please. then i know they are serious.

Crusader 01-02-2015 07:36 PM
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Doesn't matter untill they fire that ass-hat of a ST-coordinator.

Danno 01-02-2015 08:21 PM
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K Major 01-02-2015 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 635735)
Interesting ... media/sports writers had him headed to Nashville (Vanderbilt)?
I wonder what changed?

SmashMouth 01-02-2015 08:43 PM
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