Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney

Barry from MS · 01-04-2015, 03:32 PM

Walterfootball.com has McKinney going to the Texans in the 2nd Round...behind us. Hmmmm....

Wouldn't that be something if we got us a talented BIG UGLY in the 1st Round in the middle then got us a McKinney at MLB in the 2nd Round?

hagan714 · 01-04-2015, 03:36 PM

McKinney going to the Texans in the 2nd Round? hell yeah you make the pick

the more i watch him the more i came away question him as top 20 talent. sure i see the hype and i got caught up in at early on but since that time i just do not see game changer impact plays out of him.

not to say passing on the hype is something many teams would regret down the road would be silly of me also.

Flowers i never understood myself. like JP said dude takes mini vacation and goes missing for long stretches in a game. yet another media sack happy media darling that appears to be a one trick pony in the pros

hagan714 · 01-04-2015, 04:36 PM

I can not shake Trea Waynes as the pick to make the most impact on the defense in year one, i like the way he plays. i watch a lot of big ten and for two years in row this guy just is steady as a rock. does not use his hands to cover either, IMO that is huge with all the rule changes. best feet in the draft.

next is Kevin Johnson out wake forest. another CB that knows how to cover with out his hands

After Trea Waynes i have to go OT as the best picks on the board that are proven commodities IMO.

all the others make me a bit nervous. one year wonders and/or injury history. I hear the word foot with a WR and i always pause.

halloween 65 · 01-04-2015, 04:38 PM

I still am not understanding all the love for a OLB to rush, we need help in the middle our OLB are good enough although JR needs to get better at setting the edge. A NT and ILB are needed way more than 1 trick pony's.I would take McKinny over the other guy but he isn't my first choice at ILB not saying if we drafted him that I would hate it but Miami has a stud ILB just sitting there getting no love at all.

K Major · 01-04-2015, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

A NT and ILB are needed way more than 1 trick pony's.I would take McKinny over the other guy but he isn't my first choice at ILB not saying if we drafted him that I would hate it but Miami has a stud ILB just sitting there getting no love at all.

Hey Halloween, I agree with you completely however the OP asked which player you would rather take. I too think the Perryman from UM (Univ of Miami) will become a better pro and is actually better than McKinney in pass coverage at this stage of their respected careers. In some scouting reports, Perryman is rated top LB in the country.

I'm definitely not sleeping on Denzel Perryman from the U.

Barry from MS · 01-04-2015, 04:55 PM

What we'd like about McKinney is that the man was a 3-star QB out of high school with 1 offer (My Cow College).

In other words, he was passed over coming out of high school but ended up being a 2nd Team All-SEC Linebacker and a projected 2nd Round NFL Draft Pick...you would think Coach Payton likes players that worked hard in college to get where he's at and with chips on their shoulders. If he stayed for his senior year, he'd be an All-American 2015...Saints need to catch him early. If y'all can't tell, I'm a bit biased.

He worked his tail off to learn how to play ILB & sculpt that body but still maintain the speed & power. Great work ethic...sign him up. Extra bonus if we can get him in the 2nd.

While we're at it at LB'er, let's grab Bama ILB'er Trey DePriest in the later rounds...smart & fundamentally sound player though not the fastest, but I like him. If Bama's Ragland declares for the draft, we gotta get him in the middle rounds...no question. Load'em up on that Front 7 and get after Scam Newton & their RB's if we're serious about getting this division back.

I ain't joking, because our middle linebackers were small, slow & were exposed all year. They were the joke of this 2014 defense...all except Lofton, that is.

halloween 65 · 01-04-2015, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

What we'd like about McKinney is that the man was a 3-star QB out of high school with 1 offer (My Cow College).

In other words, he was passed over coming out of high school but ended up being a 2nd Team All-SEC Linebacker and a projected 2nd Round NFL Draft Pick...you would think Coach Payton likes players that worked hard in college to get where he's at and with chips on their shoulders. If he stayed for his senior year, he'd be an All-American 2015...Saints need to catch him early. If y'all can't tell, I'm a bit biased.

He worked his tail off to learn how to play ILB & sculpt that body but still maintain the speed & power. Great work ethic...sign him up. Extra bonus if we can get him in the 2nd.

While we're at it at LB'er, let's grab Bama ILB'er Trey DePriest in the later rounds...smart & fundamentally sound player though not the fastest, but I like him. If Bama's Ragland declares for the draft, we gotta get him in the middle rounds...no question. Load'em up on that Front 7 and get after Scam Newton & their RB's if we're serious about getting this division back.

I ain't joking, because our middle linebackers were small, slow & were exposed all year. They were the joke of this 2014 defense...all except Lofton, that is.

I watched Ragland as careful as I could , I feel he needs to stay in school for another year, he was exposed a little to much for my liking during the Ohio State game not saying he's bad but another year at Bama would do him well just a little to raw.

WillSaints81 · 01-04-2015, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I watched Ragland as careful as I could , I feel he needs to stay in school for another year, he was exposed a little to much for my liking during the Ohio State game not saying he's bad but another year at Bama would do him well just a little to raw.

OSU has a HC that won two titles in the SEC and beat Saban in his first championship caliber season back in college. There is appearing to be a difference in work ethic and all with OSU that was not there when Tressell was there.

hagan714 · 01-04-2015, 05:26 PM

McKinney could very easily make a lot of people look foolish passing on him i agree,

Barry from MS · 01-04-2015, 05:50 PM

Oh, forgot...McKinney was a Freshman All-American LB'er. Been at it for 3 years. Not a "Project Pick"...Battle-Tested.

01-04-2015, 03:32 PM	#1
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney Walterfootball.com has McKinney going to the Texans in the 2nd Round...behind us. Hmmmm.... Wouldn't that be something if we got us a talented BIG UGLY in the 1st Round in the middle then got us a McKinney at MLB in the 2nd Round? spkb25 and VegasSaint9 like this.

01-04-2015, 03:36 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney McKinney going to the Texans in the 2nd Round? hell yeah you make the pick the more i watch him the more i came away question him as top 20 talent. sure i see the hype and i got caught up in at early on but since that time i just do not see game changer impact plays out of him. not to say passing on the hype is something many teams would regret down the road would be silly of me also. Flowers i never understood myself. like JP said dude takes mini vacation and goes missing for long stretches in a game. yet another media sack happy media darling that appears to be a one trick pony in the pros Barry from MS likes this.
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01-04-2015, 04:36 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney I can not shake Trea Waynes as the pick to make the most impact on the defense in year one, i like the way he plays. i watch a lot of big ten and for two years in row this guy just is steady as a rock. does not use his hands to cover either, IMO that is huge with all the rule changes. best feet in the draft. next is Kevin Johnson out wake forest. another CB that knows how to cover with out his hands After Trea Waynes i have to go OT as the best picks on the board that are proven commodities IMO. all the others make me a bit nervous. one year wonders and/or injury history. I hear the word foot with a WR and i always pause.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

01-04-2015, 04:38 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney I still am not understanding all the love for a OLB to rush, we need help in the middle our OLB are good enough although JR needs to get better at setting the edge. A NT and ILB are needed way more than 1 trick pony's.I would take McKinny over the other guy but he isn't my first choice at ILB not saying if we drafted him that I would hate it but Miami has a stud ILB just sitting there getting no love at all. K Major and brees84 like this.

01-04-2015, 04:53 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,800 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney Originally Posted by halloween 65 A NT and ILB are needed way more than 1 trick pony's.I would take McKinny over the other guy but he isn't my first choice at ILB not saying if we drafted him that I would hate it but Miami has a stud ILB just sitting there getting no love at all. Hey Halloween, I agree with you completely however the OP asked which player you would rather take. I too think the Perryman from UM (Univ of Miami) will become a better pro and is actually better than McKinney in pass coverage at this stage of their respected careers. In some scouting reports, Perryman is rated top LB in the country. I'm definitely not sleeping on Denzel Perryman from the U.

01-04-2015, 04:55 PM	#6
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney What we'd like about McKinney is that the man was a 3-star QB out of high school with 1 offer (My Cow College). In other words, he was passed over coming out of high school but ended up being a 2nd Team All-SEC Linebacker and a projected 2nd Round NFL Draft Pick...you would think Coach Payton likes players that worked hard in college to get where he's at and with chips on their shoulders. If he stayed for his senior year, he'd be an All-American 2015...Saints need to catch him early. If y'all can't tell, I'm a bit biased. He worked his tail off to learn how to play ILB & sculpt that body but still maintain the speed & power. Great work ethic...sign him up. Extra bonus if we can get him in the 2nd. While we're at it at LB'er, let's grab Bama ILB'er Trey DePriest in the later rounds...smart & fundamentally sound player though not the fastest, but I like him. If Bama's Ragland declares for the draft, we gotta get him in the middle rounds...no question. Load'em up on that Front 7 and get after Scam Newton & their RB's if we're serious about getting this division back. I ain't joking, because our middle linebackers were small, slow & were exposed all year. They were the joke of this 2014 defense...all except Lofton, that is.
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01-04-2015, 05:32 PM	#7
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney Originally Posted by Barry from MS What we'd like about McKinney is that the man was a 3-star QB out of high school with 1 offer (My Cow College). In other words, he was passed over coming out of high school but ended up being a 2nd Team All-SEC Linebacker and a projected 2nd Round NFL Draft Pick...you would think Coach Payton likes players that worked hard in college to get where he's at and with chips on their shoulders. If he stayed for his senior year, he'd be an All-American 2015...Saints need to catch him early. If y'all can't tell, I'm a bit biased. He worked his tail off to learn how to play ILB & sculpt that body but still maintain the speed & power. Great work ethic...sign him up. Extra bonus if we can get him in the 2nd. While we're at it at LB'er, let's grab Bama ILB'er Trey DePriest in the later rounds...smart & fundamentally sound player though not the fastest, but I like him. If Bama's Ragland declares for the draft, we gotta get him in the middle rounds...no question. Load'em up on that Front 7 and get after Scam Newton & their RB's if we're serious about getting this division back. I ain't joking, because our middle linebackers were small, slow & were exposed all year. They were the joke of this 2014 defense...all except Lofton, that is. I watched Ragland as careful as I could , I feel he needs to stay in school for another year, he was exposed a little to much for my liking during the Ohio State game not saying he's bad but another year at Bama would do him well just a little to raw.

01-04-2015, 06:06 PM	#8
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,278	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney Originally Posted by halloween 65 I watched Ragland as careful as I could , I feel he needs to stay in school for another year, he was exposed a little to much for my liking during the Ohio State game not saying he's bad but another year at Bama would do him well just a little to raw. OSU has a HC that won two titles in the SEC and beat Saban in his first championship caliber season back in college. There is appearing to be a difference in work ethic and all with OSU that was not there when Tressell was there.

01-04-2015, 05:26 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney McKinney could very easily make a lot of people look foolish passing on him i agree,

01-04-2015, 05:50 PM	#10
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Dante Fowler or Bernardrick McKinney Oh, forgot...McKinney was a Freshman All-American LB'er. Been at it for 3 years. Not a "Project Pick"...Battle-Tested.

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