Is it really our offensive line?

|Mitch| · 01-15-2015, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before.

We've never had a defense as bad as last year or the "suspensions" year either... Both years that fans were calling for Drew's head...

Drew was pressing the issue so to speak, because the defense was non-existent...

hitta · 01-15-2015, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He had a pretty clean pocket on some of those picks.

In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun.

The Dude · 01-15-2015, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive...

He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession...

I dont have any stats to back this up but there does seem to be a direct corolation between our defense sucking and Drew throwing more picks. I remember the interceptions where pretty bad when Spags was there too. I think he does try and take on too much sometimes because lets face it, with the way our defense played Drew was the only reason we were not a 2 or 3 win team. In spite of the interceptions.

Euphoria · 01-15-2015, 05:56 PM

You are absolutely correct.

When your D sucks... your O has to take more chances than they should have to try and score and force the ball in places you really don't want to put it. A good D takes the pressure off the O.

Danno · 01-15-2015, 06:20 PM

I feel confident in my assertion that anyone who thinks our offense was as bad as our defense is a bonafide football moron.

Mr.Riaton · 01-15-2015, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I feel confident in my assertion that anyone who thinks our offense was as bad as our defense is a bonafide football moron.

Numbers don't lie

WillSaints81 · 01-15-2015, 06:34 PM

The problem is a defense is going to regres every other year because we are in a age where teams study up and figure out top defenses the prior year. Also, we don't have the players to play hard every single year with no regression. Injuries happen all the time. Brees was still getting a lot of flack in 2013 because of his road games. I have no idea who will win the south next year but I do know with our division now it is not gonna be easy to go 13-3 unless we go 10-0 out of the division.

The point was made in this thread though that Brees needs to be buttered up on defense. That he is becoming a diva and needs a knock you out defense to get him pumped.

Mr.Riaton · 01-15-2015, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before.

Honestly,it always mattered to me. Even when our offense was putting up big points,I would still get irritated watching our D take the field most of the time. I love an aggressive,well disciplined,we'll coached defense.

Danno · 01-15-2015, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

The point was made in this thread though that Brees needs to be buttered up on defense. That he is becoming a diva and needs a knock you out defense to get him pumped.

I'm not buying that line at all.

All he really needs is a competent defense.

rezburna · 01-15-2015, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun.

I don't think it's time to move on, but I do think he's on the decline and we should be looking at the person who'll be taking his place. The only time Brees never deserves blame is in the playoffs. He's always flawless then. But this year he made some crazy decisions. And pressing isn't an excuse to me. He's a top 5 QB of all time. He knows better.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before. We've never had a defense as bad as last year or the "suspensions" year either... Both years that fans were calling for Drew's head... Drew was pressing the issue so to speak, because the defense was non-existent...
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hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,318	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna He had a pretty clean pocket on some of those picks. In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun. \|Mitch\| likes this.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive... He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession... I dont have any stats to back this up but there does seem to be a direct corolation between our defense sucking and Drew throwing more picks. I remember the interceptions where pretty bad when Spags was there too. I think he does try and take on too much sometimes because lets face it, with the way our defense played Drew was the only reason we were not a 2 or 3 win team. In spite of the interceptions.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is it really our offensive line? You are absolutely correct. When your D sucks... your O has to take more chances than they should have to try and score and force the ball in places you really don't want to put it. A good D takes the pressure off the O. Danno likes this.

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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by Danno I feel confident in my assertion that anyone who thinks our offense was as bad as our defense is a bonafide football moron. Numbers don't lie

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WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Is it really our offensive line? The problem is a defense is going to regres every other year because we are in a age where teams study up and figure out top defenses the prior year. Also, we don't have the players to play hard every single year with no regression. Injuries happen all the time. Brees was still getting a lot of flack in 2013 because of his road games. I have no idea who will win the south next year but I do know with our division now it is not gonna be easy to go 13-3 unless we go 10-0 out of the division. The point was made in this thread though that Brees needs to be buttered up on defense. That he is becoming a diva and needs a knock you out defense to get him pumped.

01-15-2015, 06:36 PM	#38
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before. Honestly,it always mattered to me. Even when our offense was putting up big points,I would still get irritated watching our D take the field most of the time. I love an aggressive,well disciplined,we'll coached defense.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 The point was made in this thread though that Brees needs to be buttered up on defense. That he is becoming a diva and needs a knock you out defense to get him pumped. I'm not buying that line at all. All he really needs is a competent defense.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,848	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by hitta In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun. I don't think it's time to move on, but I do think he's on the decline and we should be looking at the person who'll be taking his place. The only time Brees never deserves blame is in the playoffs. He's always flawless then. But this year he made some crazy decisions. And pressing isn't an excuse to me. He's a top 5 QB of all time. He knows better.

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