Is it really our offensive line?

rezburna · 01-15-2015, 08:51 AM

He had a pretty clean pocket on some of those picks.

|Mitch| · 01-15-2015, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He had a pretty clean pocket on some of those picks.

Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive...

He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession...

rezburna · 01-15-2015, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive...

He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession...

I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before.

|Mitch| · 01-15-2015, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before.

We've never had a defense as bad as last year or the "suspensions" year either... Both years that fans were calling for Drew's head...

Drew was pressing the issue so to speak, because the defense was non-existent...

Mr.Riaton · 01-15-2015, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before.

Honestly,it always mattered to me. Even when our offense was putting up big points,I would still get irritated watching our D take the field most of the time. I love an aggressive,well disciplined,we'll coached defense.

Crusader · 01-22-2015, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

. I love an aggressive,well disciplined,we'll coached defense.

So do we all but honestly how many such defences do you see in the NFL per year nowadays? New rules have prevented much of that and players on all levels of football are worse when it comes to fundamentals than ever.

The Dude · 01-15-2015, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive...

He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession...

I dont have any stats to back this up but there does seem to be a direct corolation between our defense sucking and Drew throwing more picks. I remember the interceptions where pretty bad when Spags was there too. I think he does try and take on too much sometimes because lets face it, with the way our defense played Drew was the only reason we were not a 2 or 3 win team. In spite of the interceptions.

hitta · 01-15-2015, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He had a pretty clean pocket on some of those picks.

In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun.

rezburna · 01-15-2015, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun.

I don't think it's time to move on, but I do think he's on the decline and we should be looking at the person who'll be taking his place. The only time Brees never deserves blame is in the playoffs. He's always flawless then. But this year he made some crazy decisions. And pressing isn't an excuse to me. He's a top 5 QB of all time. He knows better.

NonieT · 01-18-2015, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I don't think it's time to move on, but I do think he's on the decline and we should be looking at the person who'll be taking his place. The only time Brees never deserves blame is in the playoffs. He's always flawless then. But this year he made some crazy decisions. And pressing isn't an excuse to me. He's a top 5 QB of all time. He knows better.

Knowing better is one thing, but when your pressing doing better is something else. It may not excuse it, but it does explain it.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive... He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession... I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before. We've never had a defense as bad as last year or the "suspensions" year either... Both years that fans were calling for Drew's head... Drew was pressing the issue so to speak, because the defense was non-existent...
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01-15-2015, 06:36 PM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna I agree, but we expect the offense to score on most possessions. That's nothing new. Having a bad defense is nothing new. It never used to matter before. Honestly,it always mattered to me. Even when our offense was putting up big points,I would still get irritated watching our D take the field most of the time. I love an aggressive,well disciplined,we'll coached defense.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Could it also be that Drew as the leader of the team starts to force some things trying to make plays? I know I would when he undoubtedly had no confidence that the defense could force a punt on the next drive... He had to feel like he needed to score with every possession... I dont have any stats to back this up but there does seem to be a direct corolation between our defense sucking and Drew throwing more picks. I remember the interceptions where pretty bad when Spags was there too. I think he does try and take on too much sometimes because lets face it, with the way our defense played Drew was the only reason we were not a 2 or 3 win team. In spite of the interceptions.
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01-15-2015, 03:46 PM	#8
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,333	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna He had a pretty clean pocket on some of those picks. In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun. \|Mitch\| likes this.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by hitta In all honesty that doesn't have to matter. As a quarterback you have a timer in your head. When you are repeatedly being prevented from moving up in the pocket or your time in the pocket is considerably shortened.... the repetitions of that will do weird things to the head of a quarterback. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to let Brees off the hook, because he may very well be in decline; but I think it'd be highly irrational to think its time to move on when we have no idea how he would play with good O-line play. That is just really jumping the gun. I don't think it's time to move on, but I do think he's on the decline and we should be looking at the person who'll be taking his place. The only time Brees never deserves blame is in the playoffs. He's always flawless then. But this year he made some crazy decisions. And pressing isn't an excuse to me. He's a top 5 QB of all time. He knows better.

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NonieT 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 921	Re: Is it really our offensive line? Originally Posted by rezburna I don't think it's time to move on, but I do think he's on the decline and we should be looking at the person who'll be taking his place. The only time Brees never deserves blame is in the playoffs. He's always flawless then. But this year he made some crazy decisions. And pressing isn't an excuse to me. He's a top 5 QB of all time. He knows better. Knowing better is one thing, but when your pressing doing better is something else. It may not excuse it, but it does explain it.
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