Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan?

spkb25 · 01-18-2015, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem.

I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if we go into next season with the same position coaches on defense Ill expect another 8-8 type performance.

Payton and Mickey said there would be major changes... but what's changed? Every ****ty defensive position coach is still hanging around.

if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?

blackangold · 01-18-2015, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?

Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there.

More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan.

Seems obvious to me...

ChrisXVI · 01-18-2015, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove...

Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.

Mr.Riaton · 01-18-2015, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.

If a defense performs only when people think they suck then that's pretty f**kin pathetic. That right there shows that there's a problem and needs to be fixed. We've had new talent from FA and the draft brought in to help this D every year. Either we have the worst luck in the world when it comes to evaluating talent or we need and upgrade on some coaches on our staff. I find it very hard to believe we suck that bad year after year on drafting defensive talent.

spkb25 · 01-18-2015, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there.

More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan.

Seems obvious to me...

I don't know man, defense seems more like an attitude than anything. All the teams I watch that are good play with non-stop motors. IDT it is a fundamentals issue as much as an issue of passion. We had it last season, none this season. We did not need Harper for anything. Watched the dude get ran by like his old slow ass was standing still against Seahawks. Greer was a huge loss

st thomas · 01-25-2015, 07:06 PM

exactly what I been saying ,no leadership what so ever just a bunch of hee haw yakking like galete. no one wants to put money where there mouth is as they say.we need big time veteran leadership. or any at all.

The Dude · 01-18-2015, 01:34 PM

They would definitely have to go wide.

Mr.Riaton · 01-18-2015, 01:44 PM

The players have already said that they love RR and don't want to play for anyone else. We wouldn't want to disappoint them,they might turn on Sean and under perform next season...

Marlboro Man · 01-19-2015, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

The players have already said that they love RR and don't want to play for anyone else. We wouldn't want to disappoint them,they might turn on Sean and under perform next season...

Oh, wait! They did that this year.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-18-2015, 01:55 PM

Funny...
After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position.

Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches.

Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline.

If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either.

Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL.

01-18-2015, 02:35 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by blackangold Rob isn't the problem. The positional coaches are a large part of the problem. I would love to get Vic in here but if he has the same positional coaches I bet we don't improve much. That being said if we go into next season with the same position coaches on defense Ill expect another 8-8 type performance. Payton and Mickey said there would be major changes... but what's changed? Every ****ty defensive position coach is still hanging around. if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year?

01-18-2015, 06:25 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by spkb25 if it is the assistants then why were we successful rob's first year? Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there. More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan. Seems obvious to me... st thomas likes this.

01-18-2015, 06:46 PM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by blackangold Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove... Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again.

01-18-2015, 07:03 PM	#4
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Who's to say that won't happen again next season now that everyone thinks they suck again. If a defense performs only when people think they suck then that's pretty f**kin pathetic. That right there shows that there's a problem and needs to be fixed. We've had new talent from FA and the draft brought in to help this D every year. Either we have the worst luck in the world when it comes to evaluating talent or we need and upgrade on some coaches on our staff. I find it very hard to believe we suck that bad year after year on drafting defensive talent. K Major and brees84 like this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by blackangold Team had fire coming out of the 2012 season to be better. Everyone had something to prove, but once that wore off and the D was thought of as "good" they collapsed because the basic coaching fundamentals aren't there. More importantly, and apparently what you don't get; we had 'player-coaches' last year with all of the vets. Even when the vets like Greer, Smith, Vilma and Harper weren't on the field they were coaching the players. We needed the veteran leadership so much because there is no coaching coming from the people under Ryan. Seems obvious to me... I don't know man, defense seems more like an attitude than anything. All the teams I watch that are good play with non-stop motors. IDT it is a fundamentals issue as much as an issue of passion. We had it last season, none this season. We did not need Harper for anything. Watched the dude get ran by like his old slow ass was standing still against Seahawks. Greer was a huge loss

01-25-2015, 07:06 PM	#6
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? exactly what I been saying ,no leadership what so ever just a bunch of hee haw yakking like galete. no one wants to put money where there mouth is as they say.we need big time veteran leadership. or any at all.

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Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? The players have already said that they love RR and don't want to play for anyone else. We wouldn't want to disappoint them,they might turn on Sean and under perform next season... Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-19-2015, 07:19 AM	#9
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton The players have already said that they love RR and don't want to play for anyone else. We wouldn't want to disappoint them,they might turn on Sean and under perform next season... Oh, wait! They did that this year. spkb25 likes this.

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Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Would Saints Pull an END-AROUND on Rob Ryan? Funny... After the 2013 season, I heard many being worried that Ryan could be offered a HC position. Now it's off with everyone's heads, and let's get these group of coaches. Coaches don't make plays. Coaches don't cover the field sideline to sideline. If anyone thinks Fangio would come in and make Patrick Willis, Aldon Smith, and NaVorro Bowman out of Jr. Galette, Curtis Lofton, and Parys haralson, you've got another thing coming. The Saints do not have the talent on defense, and last year they didn't have the brains either. Of all the players on the Saints defense, there is Keenan Lewis, then everyone else. And aside from Vaccaro (jury still out) and Jordan (can't do it alone), everyone else is nothing more than a journeyman in the NFL. lumm0x, aquaboogie and VegasSaint9 like this.
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