Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints

Danno · 01-20-2015, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Wow...

Just shows that Payton/Loomis won't be replacing any of the dead weight on the staff... shame.

We have 5 different DCs in the last 10 years but the position coaches don't change, so our defense will continue to be a bottom feeder.

Why do you assume that?

Didn't you also assume nothing would be done on defense before we hired Dennis Allen?

blackangold · 01-20-2015, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Why do you assume that?

Didn't you also assume nothing would be done on defense before we hired Dennis Allen?

Just stating observations Danno.

Allen was hired to put pressure on Rob Ryan, not to replace any position coaches (Not my words, just restating what the NOLA article says).

To me that means we will have yet another DC with the same staff under him and expect different results...

There is no way you can justify having the same positional coaching staff for 10 years but going through 6 DC in that time due to poor performance.

Allen's hire to this position tells me (my opinion) that they are putting more pressure on Rob and refuse to give him the help he really needs-- new position coaches. Our defense will continue to be inconsistent as long as Vitt and Johnson are around.

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2015, 06:46 AM

YES!

After a string of losses, it's nice to have a gain!

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2015, 06:50 AM

Here's a list of the Raiders' unrestricted and restricted free agents:

Unrestricted:

Larry Asante, safety
David Ausberry, tight end
Tarell Brown, cornerback
Vincent Brown, receiver
Darren McFadden, running back
Denarius Moore, receiver
Carlos Rogers, cornerback
Pat Sims, defensive tackle
C.J. Wilson, defensive tackle
Stefen Wisniewski, center
Charles Woodson, saferty

Restricted:

Chimdi Chekwa, cornerback
Andre Holmes, receiver
Marquette King, punter
Brandian Ross, safety
Kory Sheets, fullback
Rod Streater, receiver

saintsfan1976 · 01-20-2015, 06:53 AM

Priority #1 - fix the secondary.

Add a FA CB who can start day one!

Mardigras9 · 01-20-2015, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Priority #1 - fix the secondary.

Well there is 6 secondary players on that Raider list he is coming from

MarchingOn · 01-20-2015, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Well there is 6 secondary players on that Raider list he is coming from

Yes, and a veteran/line-calling Center I've heard some of us discuss even before this move

MarchingOn · 01-20-2015, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Priority #1 - fix the secondary.

Add a FA CB who can start day one!

Agree with 2nd but not the 1st statement.

Priority 1: fix the run defense? If that's the objective, then the means: draft or FA for some LBs and/or another NT/DL

saintsfan1976 · 01-21-2015, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by MarchingOn

Agree with 2nd but not the 1st statement.

Priority 1: fix the run defense? If that's the objective, then the means: draft or FA for some LBs and/or another NT/DL

The second solves the first.

Not having a quality starting CB killed us from day one. That and injuries.

hagan714 · 01-21-2015, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

The second solves the first.

Not having a quality starting CB killed us from day one. That and injuries.

I agree. a solid #2 CB is out there in FA and the draft. no need to make it a top FA signing or a first round pick this year was more of my point.

same goes for the defense in the draft. no need to spend a bulk of picks on defense. get drew settled first.

keep the defense off the field and when they are on at least it would not be so easy score if you have 2 CB that can handle man coverage.

01-20-2015, 06:46 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints YES! After a string of losses, it's nice to have a gain!

01-20-2015, 06:50 AM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Here's a list of the Raiders' unrestricted and restricted free agents: Unrestricted: Larry Asante, safety David Ausberry, tight end Tarell Brown, cornerback Vincent Brown, receiver Darren McFadden, running back Denarius Moore, receiver Carlos Rogers, cornerback Pat Sims, defensive tackle C.J. Wilson, defensive tackle Stefen Wisniewski, center Charles Woodson, saferty Restricted: Chimdi Chekwa, cornerback Andre Holmes, receiver Marquette King, punter Brandian Ross, safety Kory Sheets, fullback Rod Streater, receiver

01-20-2015, 06:53 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Priority #1 - fix the secondary. Add a FA CB who can start day one! dizzle88 and K Major like this.

01-20-2015, 09:55 AM	#6
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Priority #1 - fix the secondary. Well there is 6 secondary players on that Raider list he is coming from

01-20-2015, 06:28 PM	#7
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Well there is 6 secondary players on that Raider list he is coming from Yes, and a veteran/line-calling Center I've heard some of us discuss even before this move

01-20-2015, 07:58 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by blackangold Wow... Just shows that Payton/Loomis won't be replacing any of the dead weight on the staff... shame. We have 5 different DCs in the last 10 years but the position coaches don't change, so our defense will continue to be a bottom feeder. Why do you assume that? Didn't you also assume nothing would be done on defense before we hired Dennis Allen?

01-20-2015, 09:07 AM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by Danno Why do you assume that? Didn't you also assume nothing would be done on defense before we hired Dennis Allen? Just stating observations Danno. Allen was hired to put pressure on Rob Ryan, not to replace any position coaches (Not my words, just restating what the NOLA article says). To me that means we will have yet another DC with the same staff under him and expect different results... There is no way you can justify having the same positional coaching staff for 10 years but going through 6 DC in that time due to poor performance. Allen's hire to this position tells me (my opinion) that they are putting more pressure on Rob and refuse to give him the help he really needs-- new position coaches. Our defense will continue to be inconsistent as long as Vitt and Johnson are around. MarchingOn likes this.

01-20-2015, 06:26 PM	#8
MarchingOn 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 387 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Priority #1 - fix the secondary. Add a FA CB who can start day one! Agree with 2nd but not the 1st statement. Priority 1: fix the run defense? If that's the objective, then the means: draft or FA for some LBs and/or another NT/DL

01-21-2015, 06:51 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by MarchingOn Agree with 2nd but not the 1st statement. Priority 1: fix the run defense? If that's the objective, then the means: draft or FA for some LBs and/or another NT/DL The second solves the first. Not having a quality starting CB killed us from day one. That and injuries.

01-21-2015, 07:04 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dennis Allen Rejoins Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 The second solves the first. Not having a quality starting CB killed us from day one. That and injuries. I agree. a solid #2 CB is out there in FA and the draft. no need to make it a top FA signing or a first round pick this year was more of my point. same goes for the defense in the draft. no need to spend a bulk of picks on defense. get drew settled first. keep the defense off the field and when they are on at least it would not be so easy score if you have 2 CB that can handle man coverage.

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