Can we send Leon back if Farve retires?

Rsanders24 · 01-11-2005, 06:28 PM

The same people that are bashing Aaron Brooks are the same people that will (and always do) say that the Saints always get rid of talent. Now fair enough, he has played terrible sometimes and sometimes he has played brilliantly. But even when the Saints had winning seasons what QB did we have that was better than what we have now? It is proven in this league every year that the most important part of your team is the defense. You can not be successful without atleast middle or higher ranked defense and it shows in the playoff also. Now if Brooks leaves a goes on the be succesful everyone that is bashing him will be bashing the team still because there are a lot more problems than Aaron Brooks on offense like: stupid penaltys, blown blocking assignments, dropped passes(especially at the beginning of the season), and a lack of a running game.

[Edited on 11/1/2005 by Rsanders24]

JOESAM2002 · 01-11-2005, 06:43 PM

Tick,tock, I smell a lock! You 2 get along.

FireVenturi · 01-11-2005, 06:51 PM

saintfan, did you notice I didn\'t start this thread? Did you think a thread about trading Leon away, and calling him Leon, was about welcoming him back to the team with open arms next year? Maybe you should understand the topic you are posting under better.

Also since I am \"blasting\" him, can you tell me one thing I have pointed out about him that isn\'t true?

[Edited on 11/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

Bottom line if the rams would have lost and we would have gotten into the post-season, win or lose, he would be king. everybody would have jumped on tha AB bandwagon. Just like they will when we geta decent Oc, or when yall get yall wish and he goes somewhere(witha D) and gets to a SB!

FireVenturi · 01-11-2005, 06:53 PM

The same people that are bashing Aaron Brooks are the same people that will (and always do) say that the Saints always get rid of talent. Now fair enough, he has played terrible sometimes and sometimes he has played brilliantly. But even when the Saints had winning seasons what QB did we have that was better than what we have now? It is proven in this league every year that the most important part of your team is the defense. You can not be successful without atleast middle or higher ranked defense and it shows in the playoff also. Now if Brooks leaves a goes on the be succesful everyone that is bashing him will be bashing the team still because there are a lot more problems than Aaron Brooks on offense like: stupid penaltys, blown blocking assignments, dropped passes(especially at the beginning of the season), and a lack of a running game.

[Edited on 11/1/2005 by Rsanders24]

WURDDDD

saintswhodi · 01-11-2005, 07:36 PM

Saints always get rid of talent? Let me see:

La\'Roi Glover- Isn\'t he in the pro bowl AGAIN this year?
Sammy Knight-First or second in the league in INTs the last 6 years
Willie Roaf-Need I say more?
Terrelle Smith-Love Karney, but Deuce was a beast behind Smith
Kyle Turley-The Rams line has been crap without him.
Marc Bulger-How many playoff appearances does he have the last 4 years?
Jake Delhomme-Superbowl anyone?

Nope, can\'t see why anyone would think the Saints get rid of talent.

Let\'s examine talent they simply misjudge:

Sullivan-Trufant and Kevin Williams behind him in the draft and Byron Leftwich. Terrell Suggs also I think. Great choice.
Henderson-Coulda had Keary Colbert or Donterrius Thomas
Stinchcomb-Coulda had Rashean Mathis and several other players I don\'t wanna look up.

So, I guess you are right, I don\'t know how anyone who says the Saints get rid of talent doesn\'t fall head over heels for Aaron Brooks. I mean, we got rid of or passed on so much other talent, let\'s stick with Leon and mediocrity cause God forbid we are 4-12 and miss the playoffs instead of 8-9 or 7-9 and miss them.

saintfan · 01-11-2005, 08:16 PM

saintfan, did you notice I didn\'t start this thread? Did you think a thread about trading Leon away, and calling him Leon, was about welcoming him back to the team with open arms next year? Maybe you should understand the topic you are posting under better.

So then if I create a thread praising Brooks you wouldn\'t be one of the first to post there railing me for it? Get real man.

AMEN Joe. Whodi, I suggest you relax but quick.

Rsanders24 · 01-11-2005, 08:18 PM

True, but every team has overlook talent let\'s take Sullivan as an example. Even though you and many others may have thought that the Saints reached in taking him with the #6 pick he was still considered a early to early- mid first round pick. When they drafted him did you automatically know that he wouldn\'t come close to living up to that pick? Probably not. And if you did then you need to submit your resume to every team in the league because the draft is nothing but a gamble. A year ago do you really think that the Chargers would have picked Rivers if they knew that Brees would have the year that he had? I doubt it. And everyone that is saying that we should get him would not have said that last year. And as for La\'Roi Glover yes he made it to the Pro Bowl but did he really help his team? No, The same reason Dallas might let him go(check ESPN) is the same reason the Saints let him go he is great against the pass but a liability against the run. Some of the others they coulnd\'t keep anyway. Also, eveyone one does not work in the same system. Players that are good in one system may be horrible in another. And once again how many games did the defense lose for us Aaron Brooks did not lose these game by himself. Why do you mention Jake Delhomme? He isn\'t any better they won last year because of an awesome DEFENSE and a HEALTHLY RUNNING GAME! I didn\'t see Byron Leftwich make to many spectacular plays last year or this year, they one with great defense and a running game unless they had to pass. So, while I see what you are saying mos tof it doesn\'t apply to our situation because eventhough Aaron Brooks didn\'t play spectacular in the final four games we won with a good defense and good offense.

Danno · 01-11-2005, 08:34 PM

Saints always get rid of talent? Let me see:

La\'Roi Glover- Isn\'t he in the pro bowl AGAIN this year?

Reference 237 other posts of how that happened. Joe Johnson, Randy Mueller, not Haz

Sammy Knight-First or second in the league in INTs the last 6 years[Bellamy has out-performed him for two years, with a worse supporting cast
[quote:32f6c513b2]Willie Roaf-Need I say more?

reference 200 other posts that discuss why HE wanted to leave, or simply this quote...\"I\'ll retire before I play here again\"

Terrelle Smith-Love Karney, but Deuce was a beast behind Smith

Actually Deuce was starting to fade long before T-rex left. T-rex was good, but hardly the reason for Deuces success.

Kyle Turley-The Rams line has been crap without him.

And they were crap with him also. Ask a bruised and battered Warner. And what happened? He stated he was an elite LT, and demanded to be payed like one. Hmmm, lets see, signed with the Rams for about the same price we offered him. I think the Turley situation is a bad example of how WE screwed up.

Marc Bulger-How many playoff appearances does he have the last 4 years?

He sucked when he was here, behind Blake, Brooks, and Delhomme. He was an injury proned prospect who grew into a decent QB, 4 years after we cut him.

Jake Delhomme-Superbowl anyone?

Yea, give the Saints that Defense and running game and we don\'t choke in the superbowl.

Nope, can\'t see why anyone would think the Saints get rid of talent.

Yea, me either.

Let\'s examine talent they simply misjudge:

Sullivan, Henderson, stinchcomb

yep, talented playes at the wrong need positions. But, Stinch was a 2 year project anyway and Henderson was drafted because 3 of our top 4 WR\'s had serious question marks surrounding their future.
If Donte had continued his injury bug, Horn\'s knees had deteriorated as many feared, and Pathon continued the dropsies, and Lewis/Gardner regressed the Henderson pick would have looked as awesome as any of the WR\'s selected in the 2004 draft.

If your gonna ridicule somebody, at least have your facts straight.

saintswhodi · 01-11-2005, 09:21 PM

Reference 237 other posts of how that happened. Joe Johnson, Randy Mueller, not Haz

I am not even gonna address the rest of what you said Danno cause A) NOONE WAS TALKING ABOUT HAZ. We were talking about THE SAINTS. Oops. And Deuce was fading? Faded right into the pro bowl? Roaf didn\'t wanna play here? Did you hear what Ty Law said about his coach on ESPN and where is he playing? If Bulger was only a good qb this year, how come he was in the playoffs last year? 12-4? Won their division? Allowed them to get rid of Kurt Warner? Maybe your facts need checking.

saintsfan, say what you will, you came into this thread and railed me. Why do I need to chill? IT was negative about Brooks FROM THE BEGINNING. If you found something positive about Brooks in the title, please explain to me where it is so I can understand. I wanna know where the mix up is and how I minuderstood this to be a we love Brooks thread and how I brought the negativity into it. The point to me is, I don\'t rail anyone about liking Brooks. I explain why I don\'t. Big difference. I have never had a problem with anyone liking Brooks whether I can understand it or not, look a few posts up at what I posted to 4saintsspirit. I have said this numerous times. Others don\'t extend the same courtesy. I have a right to not like Brooks, just as you have a right to like him. I also have a right not to rail anyone about it, like you did to me. If you show me a thread where someone was lauding Brooks and I railed them about it I would love to see it. I bet you will fine MANY where I expressed how I felt about him, but never railed anyone else.

RSanders, I remember the Sullivan pick clearly and the look of utter confusion on EVERYONE who was on the ESPN\'s panel including Kiper\'s faces. As a matter of fact, Kiper didn\'t have him in his top 25 so how was he an early to late first pick? They said the Saints coulda got him in the second. He may have become a early first pick cause we made him one. I knew that was a bad pick from the get go and groaned about it. But we have no way of proving it, so it\'s moot. I don\'t get paid to make those decisions, the Saints do. Big difference. If I don\'t like a guy, it doesn\'t affect the Saints. If the Saints make bad picks and bad decisions, it affects a whole region of the country.

[Edited on 12/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

saintfan · 01-11-2005, 09:28 PM

you came into this thread and railed me.

No, I disagreed. Deal with it...and CHILL OUT!

[Edited on 12/1/2005 by saintfan]

01-11-2005, 06:28 PM	#31
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? The same people that are bashing Aaron Brooks are the same people that will (and always do) say that the Saints always get rid of talent. Now fair enough, he has played terrible sometimes and sometimes he has played brilliantly. But even when the Saints had winning seasons what QB did we have that was better than what we have now? It is proven in this league every year that the most important part of your team is the defense. You can not be successful without atleast middle or higher ranked defense and it shows in the playoff also. Now if Brooks leaves a goes on the be succesful everyone that is bashing him will be bashing the team still because there are a lot more problems than Aaron Brooks on offense like: stupid penaltys, blown blocking assignments, dropped passes(especially at the beginning of the season), and a lack of a running game. [Edited on 11/1/2005 by Rsanders24]

01-11-2005, 06:43 PM	#32
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? Tick,tock, I smell a lock! You 2 get along.

01-11-2005, 06:51 PM	#33
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? saintfan, did you notice I didn\'t start this thread? Did you think a thread about trading Leon away, and calling him Leon, was about welcoming him back to the team with open arms next year? Maybe you should understand the topic you are posting under better. Also since I am \"blasting\" him, can you tell me one thing I have pointed out about him that isn\'t true? [Edited on 11/1/2005 by saintswhodi] Bottom line if the rams would have lost and we would have gotten into the post-season, win or lose, he would be king. everybody would have jumped on tha AB bandwagon. Just like they will when we geta decent Oc, or when yall get yall wish and he goes somewhere(witha D) and gets to a SB!

01-11-2005, 06:53 PM	#34
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? The same people that are bashing Aaron Brooks are the same people that will (and always do) say that the Saints always get rid of talent. Now fair enough, he has played terrible sometimes and sometimes he has played brilliantly. But even when the Saints had winning seasons what QB did we have that was better than what we have now? It is proven in this league every year that the most important part of your team is the defense. You can not be successful without atleast middle or higher ranked defense and it shows in the playoff also. Now if Brooks leaves a goes on the be succesful everyone that is bashing him will be bashing the team still because there are a lot more problems than Aaron Brooks on offense like: stupid penaltys, blown blocking assignments, dropped passes(especially at the beginning of the season), and a lack of a running game. [Edited on 11/1/2005 by Rsanders24] WURDDDD

01-11-2005, 07:36 PM	#35
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? Saints always get rid of talent? Let me see: La\'Roi Glover- Isn\'t he in the pro bowl AGAIN this year? Sammy Knight-First or second in the league in INTs the last 6 years Willie Roaf-Need I say more? Terrelle Smith-Love Karney, but Deuce was a beast behind Smith Kyle Turley-The Rams line has been crap without him. Marc Bulger-How many playoff appearances does he have the last 4 years? Jake Delhomme-Superbowl anyone? Nope, can\'t see why anyone would think the Saints get rid of talent. Let\'s examine talent they simply misjudge: Sullivan-Trufant and Kevin Williams behind him in the draft and Byron Leftwich. Terrell Suggs also I think. Great choice. Henderson-Coulda had Keary Colbert or Donterrius Thomas Stinchcomb-Coulda had Rashean Mathis and several other players I don\'t wanna look up. So, I guess you are right, I don\'t know how anyone who says the Saints get rid of talent doesn\'t fall head over heels for Aaron Brooks. I mean, we got rid of or passed on so much other talent, let\'s stick with Leon and mediocrity cause God forbid we are 4-12 and miss the playoffs instead of 8-9 or 7-9 and miss them.

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01-11-2005, 08:16 PM	#36
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? saintfan, did you notice I didn\'t start this thread? Did you think a thread about trading Leon away, and calling him Leon, was about welcoming him back to the team with open arms next year? Maybe you should understand the topic you are posting under better. So then if I create a thread praising Brooks you wouldn\'t be one of the first to post there railing me for it? Get real man. AMEN Joe. Whodi, I suggest you relax but quick.

01-11-2005, 08:18 PM	#37
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? True, but every team has overlook talent let\'s take Sullivan as an example. Even though you and many others may have thought that the Saints reached in taking him with the #6 pick he was still considered a early to early- mid first round pick. When they drafted him did you automatically know that he wouldn\'t come close to living up to that pick? Probably not. And if you did then you need to submit your resume to every team in the league because the draft is nothing but a gamble. A year ago do you really think that the Chargers would have picked Rivers if they knew that Brees would have the year that he had? I doubt it. And everyone that is saying that we should get him would not have said that last year. And as for La\'Roi Glover yes he made it to the Pro Bowl but did he really help his team? No, The same reason Dallas might let him go(check ESPN) is the same reason the Saints let him go he is great against the pass but a liability against the run. Some of the others they coulnd\'t keep anyway. Also, eveyone one does not work in the same system. Players that are good in one system may be horrible in another. And once again how many games did the defense lose for us Aaron Brooks did not lose these game by himself. Why do you mention Jake Delhomme? He isn\'t any better they won last year because of an awesome DEFENSE and a HEALTHLY RUNNING GAME! I didn\'t see Byron Leftwich make to many spectacular plays last year or this year, they one with great defense and a running game unless they had to pass. So, while I see what you are saying mos tof it doesn\'t apply to our situation because eventhough Aaron Brooks didn\'t play spectacular in the final four games we won with a good defense and good offense.

01-11-2005, 08:34 PM	#38
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? Saints always get rid of talent? Let me see: La\'Roi Glover- Isn\'t he in the pro bowl AGAIN this year? Reference 237 other posts of how that happened. Joe Johnson, Randy Mueller, not Haz Sammy Knight-First or second in the league in INTs the last 6 years[Bellamy has out-performed him for two years, with a worse supporting cast [quote:32f6c513b2]Willie Roaf-Need I say more? reference 200 other posts that discuss why HE wanted to leave, or simply this quote...\"I\'ll retire before I play here again\" Terrelle Smith-Love Karney, but Deuce was a beast behind Smith Actually Deuce was starting to fade long before T-rex left. T-rex was good, but hardly the reason for Deuces success. Kyle Turley-The Rams line has been crap without him. And they were crap with him also. Ask a bruised and battered Warner. And what happened? He stated he was an elite LT, and demanded to be payed like one. Hmmm, lets see, signed with the Rams for about the same price we offered him. I think the Turley situation is a bad example of how WE screwed up. Marc Bulger-How many playoff appearances does he have the last 4 years? He sucked when he was here, behind Blake, Brooks, and Delhomme. He was an injury proned prospect who grew into a decent QB, 4 years after we cut him. Jake Delhomme-Superbowl anyone? Yea, give the Saints that Defense and running game and we don\'t choke in the superbowl. Nope, can\'t see why anyone would think the Saints get rid of talent. Yea, me either. Let\'s examine talent they simply misjudge: Sullivan, Henderson, stinchcomb yep, talented playes at the wrong need positions. But, Stinch was a 2 year project anyway and Henderson was drafted because 3 of our top 4 WR\'s had serious question marks surrounding their future. If Donte had continued his injury bug, Horn\'s knees had deteriorated as many feared, and Pathon continued the dropsies, and Lewis/Gardner regressed the Henderson pick would have looked as awesome as any of the WR\'s selected in the 2004 draft. If your gonna ridicule somebody, at least have your facts straight.

01-11-2005, 09:21 PM	#39
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? Reference 237 other posts of how that happened. Joe Johnson, Randy Mueller, not Haz I am not even gonna address the rest of what you said Danno cause A) NOONE WAS TALKING ABOUT HAZ. We were talking about THE SAINTS. Oops. And Deuce was fading? Faded right into the pro bowl? Roaf didn\'t wanna play here? Did you hear what Ty Law said about his coach on ESPN and where is he playing? If Bulger was only a good qb this year, how come he was in the playoffs last year? 12-4? Won their division? Allowed them to get rid of Kurt Warner? Maybe your facts need checking. saintsfan, say what you will, you came into this thread and railed me. Why do I need to chill? IT was negative about Brooks FROM THE BEGINNING. If you found something positive about Brooks in the title, please explain to me where it is so I can understand. I wanna know where the mix up is and how I minuderstood this to be a we love Brooks thread and how I brought the negativity into it. The point to me is, I don\'t rail anyone about liking Brooks. I explain why I don\'t. Big difference. I have never had a problem with anyone liking Brooks whether I can understand it or not, look a few posts up at what I posted to 4saintsspirit. I have said this numerous times. Others don\'t extend the same courtesy. I have a right to not like Brooks, just as you have a right to like him. I also have a right not to rail anyone about it, like you did to me. If you show me a thread where someone was lauding Brooks and I railed them about it I would love to see it. I bet you will fine MANY where I expressed how I felt about him, but never railed anyone else. RSanders, I remember the Sullivan pick clearly and the look of utter confusion on EVERYONE who was on the ESPN\'s panel including Kiper\'s faces. As a matter of fact, Kiper didn\'t have him in his top 25 so how was he an early to late first pick? They said the Saints coulda got him in the second. He may have become a early first pick cause we made him one. I knew that was a bad pick from the get go and groaned about it. But we have no way of proving it, so it\'s moot. I don\'t get paid to make those decisions, the Saints do. Big difference. If I don\'t like a guy, it doesn\'t affect the Saints. If the Saints make bad picks and bad decisions, it affects a whole region of the country. [Edited on 12/1/2005 by saintswhodi]

01-11-2005, 09:28 PM	#40
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Can we send Leon back if Farve retires? you came into this thread and railed me. No, I disagreed. Deal with it...and CHILL OUT! [Edited on 12/1/2005 by saintfan]