Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports

01-27-2015, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by teddybarexxx

hey dont be so quick to discredit forum readers. there are men and women on here that are very knowledgeable about not only football but about sports period.

No doubt. But just because a person is intelligent and knows basically what makes up the human body and watched enough educational television to know some basics on how to remove an appendix, I would rather leave that to the experts and trust their opinion on whether or not removal is warranted.

By the way, I am a sports information geek and I would never propose that I would ever be able to know what is going on with any operation without being on the inside on a day to day basis.

jeanpierre · 01-27-2015, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It is really incredible how much more knowledgeable many of our forum members are than the so called professionals running the franchise. I totally respect the fact that they all have shunned surefire careers in Sports Management to work at their current jobs which have to be at a far more miniscule salary. Such amazing sacrifice.

Well considering first that football isn't rocket science except for maybe certain members of sports management (i.e. Matt Millen)...

But common laypersons never will have the opportunity to work in sports management as many positions are filled either by nepotism or political correctness...

vpheughan · 01-28-2015, 11:23 AM

Listen to Matt Millen and Rick Venturi and you have to have to be impressed. Rick Venturi is 2-17 as a head coach. We know about Matt Millen as a GM.

lumm0x · 01-28-2015, 12:08 PM

I really can't agree that we were without veteran leadership on either side of the ball. If Brees, Colston, Thomas, Evans, Strief, Grubbs, Goodwin, Meachem, Watson, etc. is not enough quality mature people then I don't know what is. I would say we have a more veteran core on offense than close to any team in the league. There is zero excuse for our offense lacking leadership.

On defense yes we lost Harper and Jenkins, but we still had Lofton, Hawthorne, Haralyson, Bunkley, Lewis, and the acquisition of Byrd as vets. Jordan strikes me as a mature guy as does Bush and Robinson.

There are only a handful of players I would assume require veteran mentoring to not go off track and I too would have thought we had it in place and a strong enough locker room to deal with that.

I have to admit, I am in the same boat as the team appears to be. I can see what is wrong, I just don't know what the magic missing piece is. Perhaps it is simply understanding that the whole organization drank the kool aid and we are a 7-9 team who needs plain and simple effort, dedication and execution to be better than that.

Papa Voodoo · 01-28-2015, 12:35 PM

Draft suckage is number 1.

Srgt. Hulka · 01-28-2015, 05:43 PM

They should just go back to the bounty. They were more productive then.

WillSaints81 · 01-30-2015, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It is really incredible how much more knowledgeable many of our forum members are than the so called professionals running the franchise. I totally respect the fact that they all have shunned surefire careers in Sports Management to work at their current jobs which have to be at a far more miniscule salary. Such amazing sacrifice.

As someone who plays fantasy sports, its pretty easy to see how many personnel problems there really are.

Exxcalibur · 01-30-2015, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It is really incredible how much more knowledgeable many of our forum members are than the so called professionals running the franchise. I totally respect the fact that they all have shunned surefire careers in Sports Management to work at their current jobs which have to be at a far more miniscule salary. Such amazing sacrifice.

Its a fan forum. What do you want? everyone to mindlessly cheer at everything? That would be fun and interesting to read.

It is a place where people talk, vent and sometimes learn.

What, though, do snide judgments achieve?

I just use a long stick when patting myself on the back.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2015, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

As someone who plays fantasy sports, its pretty easy to see how many personnel problems there really are.

I've played fantasy sports myself for over twenty years. Yes, we can see what we feel are personnel problems, but what we have no clue about are the underlying circumstances. What we attempt to critique from the outside may very well have logical explanations only known to those in the front office or in the locker rooms.

But, carrying the fantasy scenario along, no matter how knowledgeable you are as a fantasy team owner there are many things that are outside of your control that can keep you from having a successful season. Best laid plans are crushed by draft position and injuries.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2015, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Exxcalibur

Its a fan forum. What do you want? everyone to mindlessly cheer at everything? That would be fun and interesting to read.

It is a place where people talk, vent and sometimes learn.

What, though, do snide judgments achieve?

I just use a long stick when patting myself on the back.

I agree that this is what the forums are for. My "snide" comments are simply my way of venting. I for one, can admit that while I know quite a bit about sports, in general, NFL in particular, business (accounting and legal), and quite a bit of other useless information, I could not ever even imagine that I could possibly know more about administering an NFL franchise than those professionals doing the actual job.

I just find it amusing when some fans think they have the answers when there is no possible way for them to know even a fraction of the questions.

01-27-2015, 02:48 PM	#11
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by teddybarexxx hey dont be so quick to discredit forum readers. there are men and women on here that are very knowledgeable about not only football but about sports period. No doubt. But just because a person is intelligent and knows basically what makes up the human body and watched enough educational television to know some basics on how to remove an appendix, I would rather leave that to the experts and trust their opinion on whether or not removal is warranted. By the way, I am a sports information geek and I would never propose that I would ever be able to know what is going on with any operation without being on the inside on a day to day basis.
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01-27-2015, 02:57 PM	#12
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It is really incredible how much more knowledgeable many of our forum members are than the so called professionals running the franchise. I totally respect the fact that they all have shunned surefire careers in Sports Management to work at their current jobs which have to be at a far more miniscule salary. Such amazing sacrifice. Well considering first that football isn't rocket science except for maybe certain members of sports management (i.e. Matt Millen)... But common laypersons never will have the opportunity to work in sports management as many positions are filled either by nepotism or political correctness...

01-28-2015, 11:23 AM	#13
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports Listen to Matt Millen and Rick Venturi and you have to have to be impressed. Rick Venturi is 2-17 as a head coach. We know about Matt Millen as a GM.
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01-28-2015, 12:08 PM	#14
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports I really can't agree that we were without veteran leadership on either side of the ball. If Brees, Colston, Thomas, Evans, Strief, Grubbs, Goodwin, Meachem, Watson, etc. is not enough quality mature people then I don't know what is. I would say we have a more veteran core on offense than close to any team in the league. There is zero excuse for our offense lacking leadership. On defense yes we lost Harper and Jenkins, but we still had Lofton, Hawthorne, Haralyson, Bunkley, Lewis, and the acquisition of Byrd as vets. Jordan strikes me as a mature guy as does Bush and Robinson. There are only a handful of players I would assume require veteran mentoring to not go off track and I too would have thought we had it in place and a strong enough locker room to deal with that. I have to admit, I am in the same boat as the team appears to be. I can see what is wrong, I just don't know what the magic missing piece is. Perhaps it is simply understanding that the whole organization drank the kool aid and we are a 7-9 team who needs plain and simple effort, dedication and execution to be better than that. jeanpierre and Mr.Riaton like this.

01-28-2015, 12:35 PM	#15
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01-28-2015, 05:43 PM	#16
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports They should just go back to the bounty. They were more productive then.

01-30-2015, 02:56 AM	#17
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It is really incredible how much more knowledgeable many of our forum members are than the so called professionals running the franchise. I totally respect the fact that they all have shunned surefire careers in Sports Management to work at their current jobs which have to be at a far more miniscule salary. Such amazing sacrifice. As someone who plays fantasy sports, its pretty easy to see how many personnel problems there really are.

01-30-2015, 04:52 PM	#18
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It is really incredible how much more knowledgeable many of our forum members are than the so called professionals running the franchise. I totally respect the fact that they all have shunned surefire careers in Sports Management to work at their current jobs which have to be at a far more miniscule salary. Such amazing sacrifice. Its a fan forum. What do you want? everyone to mindlessly cheer at everything? That would be fun and interesting to read. It is a place where people talk, vent and sometimes learn. What, though, do snide judgments achieve? I just use a long stick when patting myself on the back. iceshack149, jeanpierre and brees84 like this.

01-30-2015, 05:17 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports Originally Posted by WillSaints81 As someone who plays fantasy sports, its pretty easy to see how many personnel problems there really are. I've played fantasy sports myself for over twenty years. Yes, we can see what we feel are personnel problems, but what we have no clue about are the underlying circumstances. What we attempt to critique from the outside may very well have logical explanations only known to those in the front office or in the locker rooms. But, carrying the fantasy scenario along, no matter how knowledgeable you are as a fantasy team owner there are many things that are outside of your control that can keep you from having a successful season. Best laid plans are crushed by draft position and injuries.
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01-30-2015, 05:28 PM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Drew Brees thinks the Saints have 'identified the problems' that led to a 7-9 season, magazine reports Originally Posted by Exxcalibur Its a fan forum. What do you want? everyone to mindlessly cheer at everything? That would be fun and interesting to read. It is a place where people talk, vent and sometimes learn. What, though, do snide judgments achieve? I just use a long stick when patting myself on the back. I agree that this is what the forums are for. My "snide" comments are simply my way of venting. I for one, can admit that while I know quite a bit about sports, in general, NFL in particular, business (accounting and legal), and quite a bit of other useless information, I could not ever even imagine that I could possibly know more about administering an NFL franchise than those professionals doing the actual job. I just find it amusing when some fans think they have the answers when there is no possible way for them to know even a fraction of the questions.

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