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alleycat_126 03-15-2015 01:39 PM

Now put the fear back into your QB
 
You have accomplished putting the fear back into the players that are still left on this team... Now to me you have to put that same fear into Drew Brees.... He's just too comfortable. But can you blame him... Is there anything to play for. You have a trophy, the HOF is lock, and who is really putting pressure on him on our roster...... If you want the cerebral Brees back you are gonna have to ramp up the pressure on him too. Im thinking Brett Hundley would do that.... If you think back, when he was in ruts in San Diego... the Chargers brass selected Rivers... and Brees played some of his best San Diego ball... I think if we want the true Brees... we have to ramp that pressure up!!!!

Halo 03-15-2015 01:45 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
I think the guy brings his A-game week after week. He's never hurt and plays hurt, or if he's hurt you and I would never know it. What has changed drastically since 2010 is his pocket protection. Year after year it has diminished to nothing.

If you put the fear in him about anything it's to stop forcing balls when his pocket collapses in 2 or 3 seconds. Then again if he does that he takes the sack, then all fans will scream because he takes the sack too quickly or easily. It's a lose/lose with Drew or any other QB until the Saints offensive line is completely reinforced.

lee909 03-15-2015 01:52 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
As things stand our receivers and tight ends are not scaring teams

Take Colston and Ben Watson away from our TE/WR group and including Cooks everyone off them combined has Receptions 103,Yards 1162,TD 10.

dizzle88 03-15-2015 01:56 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
I think adding Greg Jennings would give Brees a reliable, veteran presence to throw to who has played in complex schemes before.

He basically had no QB in Minnesota for a couple years, bring him here and I think he'd flourish in our system.

|Mitch| 03-15-2015 01:56 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
You say he's too accomplished, and nothing to play for. Do you think drafting a rookie will put fear in him?

He just like everyone else knows, they'll never bench him...

Like Halo says; protect the man give him a decent run game(which they have worked on this off-season). Give him a defense that doesn't put pressure on him to score every series...

And we have the old Drew back...

nola_swammi 03-15-2015 02:01 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 646092)
I think adding Greg Jennings would give Brees a reliable, veteran presence to throw to who has played in complex schemes before.

He basically had no QB in Minnesota for a couple years, bring him here and I think he'd flourish in our system.

We suppose to have that reliable player in Colston, I believe now since Kenny Stills been traded we need someone to stretch the field, maybe it's cooks, but I see him more like joe horn role with quick slants

halloween 65 03-15-2015 02:07 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Play action to me has always been Brees best play. Only things that I didn't like last season was throwing behind recievers, his going through progression reads were not that great, bad decisions forcing the ball into double and triple coverage and looked for Graham way to ofter. At 36-37 years old, game managing might not be so bad but Brees being a gunslinger days are behind him after this season if not this season.

dizzle88 03-15-2015 02:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 646095)
We suppose to have that reliable player in Colston, I believe now since Kenny Stills been traded we need someone to stretch the field, maybe it's cooks, but I see him more like joe horn role with quick slants

As much as I love what Colston does and has done for our team, I can't see him as reliable anymore with the amount of passes that he drops.

Jennings is at least a faster version with better hands, we need some leaders and I think his experience could help us in a huge way.

VegasSaint9 03-15-2015 02:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 646084)
You have accomplished putting the fear back into the players that are still left on this team... Now to me you have to put that same fear into Drew Brees.... He's just too comfortable. But can you blame him... Is there anything to play for. You have a trophy, the HOF is lock, and who is really putting pressure on him on our roster...... If you want the cerebral Brees back you are gonna have to ramp up the pressure on him too. Im thinking Brett Hundley would do that.... If you think back, when he was in ruts in San Diego... the Chargers brass selected Rivers... and Brees played some of his best San Diego ball... I think if we want the true Brees... we have to ramp that pressure up!!!!

Eww not Hundley. Yuck. Get Sean Mannion instead. He'd have good chemistry with Cooks.

Danno 03-15-2015 02:15 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 646093)
You say he's too accomplished, and nothing to play for. Do you think drafting a rookie will put fear in him?

He just like everyone else knows, they'll never bench him...

Like Halo says; protect the man give him a decent run game(which they have worked on this off-season). Give him a defense that doesn't put pressure on him to score every series...

And we have the old Drew back...

Agreed, I think the last person on this team that needs to be motivated is Drew Brees.

RaginCajun83 03-15-2015 02:15 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
The Saints got him a center finally, he will will the ability to climb the pocket like in years last again when the pocket collapses so he will be able to find this 3rd or 4th option like in years past. Brees has earned enough respect in this league that's he's the last player Payton should be trying to play mind games with, Bress is a self motivator.

UK_WhoDat 03-15-2015 02:19 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
I think the guy has played some very good football with the Saints. Whoever was backup QB.

What we have to do is make the sure guy trusts his team; decent protection, guys who will catch the ball coming their way.

UK_WhoDat 03-15-2015 02:21 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 646090)
As things stand our receivers and tight ends are not scaring teams

Take Colston and Ben Watson away from our TE/WR group and including Cooks everyone off them combined has Receptions 103,Yards 1162,TD 10.

And you might be right.
You are the records and research man. What were the performances of our TE/group in terms of the ball thrown their way? How do they ompare with the figures for other teams?

Rugby Saint II 03-15-2015 02:26 PM

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I wouldn't mind it if Drew was a little more focused on football. I know that his wife is fertile and he has children that need his time. He has a ton of charities where he invests his money and time for a good cause. And then there is all the time spent with the NFLPA. Also, Drew is quite busy with his endorsement deals as well.

I just wonder if he's not stretching himself too thin?

spkb25 03-15-2015 02:26 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 646084)
You have accomplished putting the fear back into the players that are still left on this team... Now to me you have to put that same fear into Drew Brees.... He's just too comfortable. But can you blame him... Is there anything to play for. You have a trophy, the HOF is lock, and who is really putting pressure on him on our roster...... If you want the cerebral Brees back you are gonna have to ramp up the pressure on him too. Im thinking Brett Hundley would do that.... If you think back, when he was in ruts in San Diego... the Chargers brass selected Rivers... and Brees played some of his best San Diego ball... I think if we want the true Brees... we have to ramp that pressure up!!!!

No offense dude, but Drew is the least of our issues. Our oline has not been really good since 2011. It has declined each year since and last year was by the far its worse since Drew joined us.

The defense looking like the 2012 bunch didn't help drew or the offense either.

Fix the oline and I can assure you he plays better than ever.

spkb25 03-15-2015 02:27 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 646085)
I think the guy brings his A-game week after week. He's never hurt and plays hurt, or if he's hurt you and I would never know it. What has changed drastically since 2010 is his pocket protection. Year after year it has diminished to nothing.

If you put the fear in him about anything it's to stop forcing balls when his pocket collapses in 2 or 3 seconds. Then again if he does that he takes the sack, then all fans will scream because he takes the sack too quickly or easily. It's a lose/lose with Drew or any other QB until the Saints offensive line is completely reinforced.

^ This

B_Dub_Saint 03-15-2015 02:35 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
I have zero, and I mean zero concerns about Drew Brees' work ethic. He needs a supporting cast around him to be successful. On O and D. Trust me, he is his own worst critic.

woody 03-15-2015 03:25 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 646097)
As much as I love what Colston does and has done for our team, I can't see him as reliable anymore with the amount of passes that he drops.

Jennings is at least a faster version with better hands, we need some leaders and I think his experience could help us in a huge way.

I think Jennings would be a fine addition at the right price, but he's no version of Colston. Colston is much bigger, and btw, I think he dropped just 8 passes.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2015 03:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 646108)
I wouldn't mind it if Drew was a little more focused on football. I know that his wife is fertile and he has children that need his time. He has a ton of charities where he invests his money and time for a good cause. And then there is all the time spent with the NFLPA. Also, Drew is quite busy with his endorsement deals as well.

I just wonder if he's not stretching himself too thin?

Have you read his book?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg

I have. He is a classic type "A" personality. He thrives working, wherever that may be. He cannot be stretched too thin.

dam1953 03-15-2015 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 646100)
Agreed, I think the last person on this team that needs to be motivated is Drew Brees.

Agree. If anything he is wound too tight at times.

spkb25 03-15-2015 04:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 646122)
Have you read his book?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...4,203,200_.jpg

I have. He is a classic type "A" personality. He thrives working, wherever that may be. He cannot be stretched too thin.

I haven't but think I will. That said, the other night on twitter he put up a score he got on some golf video game and asked if anyone could beat it. Dude is competitive with everything. I wouldn't even want to hang out with him because I just envision everything becoming a contest lol

dizzle88 03-15-2015 04:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 646130)
I haven't but think I will. That said, the other night on twitter he put up a score he got on some golf video game and asked if anyone could beat it. Dude is competitive with everything. I wouldn't even want to hang out with him because I just envision everything becoming a contest lol

In 2009 I heard that he and Jonathan Vilma went through stages of hating eachother in training camp because one day the offense would win and the next day the defense would, two ultra competitive guys that never wanted to lose.

Even the backup QB's say that Brees hates to lose any sort of contest.

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 04:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 646109)
Our oline has not been really good since 2011. It has declined each year since and last year was by the far its worse since Drew joined us.

2012: Exit Nicks, Enter Grubbs...

Tobias-Reiper 03-15-2015 05:27 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Can we stop it with this crap?

"Put the fear"... please. Grow up.

vpheughan 03-15-2015 06:35 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
At least he hasn't started laughing on the sidelines after he throw's an INT. I heard to really "Put the fear" into him they are bringing back one of the Billy Joes!

Boutte 03-15-2015 07:20 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
I'm starting to think we might not deserve him.

Two out of the last three years he's played with the most pathetic defenses I've ever seen. And I've been watching football since about 1962.

When the owners locked the players out Brees organized and PAID FOR a makeshift training camp! The man works his ass off and gives every thing he's got every game. He got the **** beat out him last year and got ZERO help from his so called defense and still led the league in passing yards and near the top in every other passing stat.

Yeah we need to shake him up a little. He's obviously resting on his laurels and getting fat on his big money contract that he doesn't deserve.

He's such an under achiever.

RaginCajun83 03-15-2015 08:15 PM

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Watch from 2:00 to about 2:10, that's from the Rams game in 2010. Saints won that game 31-13. Bress threw for 221 yards, 3 TDs and 2 INTS but you wouldn't know from this clip. His motivation and will to win is one of the last things to worry about on this team.


NOLA54 03-15-2015 08:37 PM

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I'm not opposed to drafting his replacement. That way Drew can have some influence on the youngster. I agree with protecting him and let him play his game. Last season it was as if Drew was not preparing the way he use to during the off season & during the season. Sean made mention of the entire team not preparing correctly. I'm guessing that will change dramatically this season.

NOLA54 03-15-2015 08:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 646148)
I'm starting to think we might not deserve him.

Two out of the last three years he's played with the most pathetic defenses I've ever seen. And I've been watching football since about 1962.

When the owners locked the players out Brees organized and PAID FOR a makeshift training camp! The man works his ass off and gives every thing he's got every game. He got the **** beat out him last year and got ZERO help from his so called defense and still led the league in passing yards and near the top in every other passing stat.

Yeah we need to shake him up a little. He's obviously resting on his laurels and getting fat on his big money contract that he doesn't deserve.

He's such an under achiever.

I detect some sarcasm here. Am I right?

jeanpierre 03-15-2015 10:09 PM

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Well, there was no strike for Drew to organize practices, workouts to show what an amazing leader he can be...

The only thing that I could see that may have affected Drew's influence on the team was if there was some resentment over the contract stuff...

I.E. Drew got Paid and There's Nothing Left For Us Kinda Thing...

And while there is some truth to that, he more than earned his, but that was my biggest concern was that his credibility would take a hit...

This past season, Brees did seem to take a couple of sacks where in previous years he would've thrown one of his bone-headed pick sixes...

If we can shorten the field (Defense gets turnovers) whereby we don't have to show every play in the playbook on a marathon drive, that should help...

The front office will never say it, but Grubbs was right there with Jason David as among the worse moves during tenure...

When you add that it was a kneejerk response to letting Carl Nicks go, to Tampa Bay, no less, it's really bad...

Though the premature contract extension for Junior Galette is closing fast as among the worst...

Brees has offered to renegotiate, but that would mean there would have to be more guaranteed money...

Sean Mickey Ireland has faced the reality that Brees age/decline will probably run out as the contract does...

And they'd rather be free of the Condon contract restrictiveness to make the necessary moves when that time comes...

RailBoss 03-15-2015 11:24 PM

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The guy is a competitor no question, putting fear into Drew Brees I don't think that even enters into the equation. It did make for an interesting thread though.

RaginCajun83 03-16-2015 06:22 AM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 646179)
Well, there was no strike for Drew to organize practices, workouts to show what an amazing leader he can be...

The only thing that I could see that may have affected Drew's influence on the team was if there was some resentment over the contract stuff...

I.E. Drew got Paid and There's Nothing Left For Us Kinda Thing...

And while there is some truth to that, he more than earned his, but that was my biggest concern was that his credibility would take a hit...

This past season, Brees did seem to take a couple of sacks where in previous years he would've thrown one of his bone-headed pick sixes...

If we can shorten the field (Defense gets turnovers) whereby we don't have to show every play in the playbook on a marathon drive, that should help...

The front office will never say it, but Grubbs was right there with Jason David as among the worse moves during tenure...

When you add that it was a kneejerk response to letting Carl Nicks go, to Tampa Bay, no less, it's really bad...

Though the premature contract extension for Junior Galette is closing fast as among the worst...

Brees has offered to renegotiate, but that would mean there would have to be more guaranteed money...

Sean Mickey Ireland has faced the reality that Brees age/decline will probably run out as the contract does...

And they'd rather be free of the Condon contract restrictiveness to make the necessary moves when that time comes...

Well Brees has 2 years left on this current deal, hope they get an extension done if he still wants to play. Hall of Fame Quaterbacks don't grow on tress, hell Jets have been trying to replace Namath since 1976 so be careful what you wish for

Mardigras9 03-16-2015 10:14 AM

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Don't think Brees isn't aware of all this talk of him being on the downward slide and him being traded next off season. I agree, he doesn't need any motivation either, but challenge him and his ability as a player, watch out.

SaintsBro 03-16-2015 10:27 AM

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It always feels good to cut and paste this once or twice every year during the off season, when threads about Brees like this one come up:

Most consecutive games with at least 1 TD pass - 54
Highest completion percentage, season – 71.2% (2011)
Most Seasons with 5,000+ passing yards - 4 (2008, 2011-2013)
Most completions in a season – 468 (2011)
Most 400+ completion seasons, career – 7 (2007-2008, 2010-2014)
Most consecutive 400+ completion seasons, career – 5 (2010-2014)
Most consecutive 350+ completion seasons, career – 9 (2006-2014)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ passing yards – 9 (2006-2014)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 7, 2008-2014
Most consecutive seasons with 5,000+ passing yards – 3 (2011-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 5,000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 3, 2011-2013
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes and no interceptions, career – 7
Most seasons with 70% pass completion rate (minimum 100 attempts per season) - 2 (2009 & 2011)
Most games with 30+ completions and 80% pass completion rate, career - 5
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 16
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 14
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 3 (tied with Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10 (2011)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 42
Most games, 250+ yards passing, season - 16 (2011)
Most 300+ yard passing games in a season – 13 (2011)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games – 9 (2011–2012, 2012-2013)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games (regular season and postseason combined)– 11 (2011-2012)
Most passing yards in first half of a regular season game — 346 (11/4/2007 vs. Jaguars)
Most games, 350+ yards passing, career - 44
Most games, 350+ yards passing, season - 8 (2011)
Most consecutive games with 350+ yards passing – 4 (Weeks 3,4,5,6; 2011)
Most passing yards in a season in away games - 2,852 (2011)
Most consecutive 400+ yard passing games - 2 (postseason games 2012) - tied with several other players
Most consecutive games with 450+ yards passing – 2 (postseason games 2012)
Most games with 400 yards passing and no interceptions, career - 9 combined (7 regular season, 2 postseason)
Most games with 20+ completions, season – 16 (2010-2012)
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions – 57 (2009–2013)[94]
Most consecutive games with 25+ completions - 11 (11/25/2012-10/06/2013)
Most games with 30+ completions, season – 9 (2011)
Most games with 30+ completions, career – 44
Most games with 30+ completions and no interceptions, career – 20
Most games with 39+ completions, career – 4 combined (2 regular season, 2 playoff games)
Most passing completions per game, career – 24.44 comp/game
Most passing attempts per game, career – 36.92 att/game
Most passing attempts per game, postseason- 42.27 att/game
Most passing yards per game, career – 277.39 yards/game
Most passing completions per game, season – 29.25 comp/game (2011)
Most passing completions per game, postseason - 27.82 comp/game
Highest post-season completion percentage, career – 65.8%
Lowest post-season interception percentage, career – 1.29%
Highest average passing yards per game in postseason- 321.73 (11 games)
Most completions in a playoff game – 40 (at San Francisco, 1/14/2012)
Most pass attempts in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 60 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[95]
Most pass completions in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 39 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[95]
Most passing yards in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 466 (vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012)
Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception during the playoffs – 226 (January 21, 2007 – January 14, 2012)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 2+ Touchdown Passes - 7 (2006 – 2012) (tied with Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana)
Most Playoff Games, 400+ yards passing - 3 (2011–12; consecutive)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 450+ yards passing - 2 (2012)
Best Passing Touchdown to Interception ratio in postseason - 4-1 (24 TD Passes - 6 interceptions)
Best Completions to Interception ratio in postseason - 51-1 (306 Completions - 6 interceptions)
Best Passing Yards to Interception ratio in postseason - 589.83-1 (3,539 Passing Yards - 6 interceptions)
Best Passing Touchdown per Game Average, Postseason - 2.182 (24 TD Passes/11 postseason games)
Most consecutive postseason games with 30+ pass completions- 4 (2/7/2010–1/14/2012)
Fastest player to reach for 40,000 career passing yards-152 GP
Fastest player to reach for 50,000 career passing yards-183 GP


And Drew needs "fear" because why? Fear has NEVER been what motivates Drew. His motivation is INTERNAL, not external....Being UNDER-ESTIMATED is what makes him tick, being too short etc, or telling him he can't do something, and watch him go and do it. Brees is clearly in this for the long haul, he is still making his case, his legacy both for him and the Saints....

He is 9th in career wins, ALL TIME. With quite a few years left to go. Fear has nothing to do with it.

Boutte 03-16-2015 04:38 PM

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Yeah but he can't win championships unless he gets help. All the great ones did that. He's probably sitting on his fat ass right now complaining about only having 2 seconds to read the whole field and then throw the ball.

OG_Trifulin 03-16-2015 05:25 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
He hasn't fallen off but I do wish he'd run more rather than take a sack. Allot of times he could have ran for a first, but instead he throws a pic and or is sacked.

Jamessr 03-16-2015 06:00 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Since when did ESPN writers start posting here?

QBREES9 03-16-2015 09:00 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Drew is a winner, and wants to win. you need eberybody to be on board.

Marlboro Man 03-17-2015 12:37 AM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
I like Bryce Petty with one of our 5ths.

Budsdrinker 03-17-2015 02:51 PM

Re: Now put the fear back into your QB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 646130)
I haven't but think I will. That said, the other night on twitter he put up a score he got on some golf video game and asked if anyone could beat it. Dude is competitive with everything. I wouldn't even want to hang out with him because I just envision everything becoming a contest lol

That's not a video game, it's an actual driving range of sorts with computer chipped golf balls and targets that you must aim at and hit. We have one in Spring Texas and it's a blast if you play golf. If you ever in a city with one I highly recommend playing, it's called Top Golf. They serve food and drinks also.


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